So are you saying we should still go around and kill every boy and girl that's having intercourse?

I never said that there are contradictions in the bible, I'm just saying that the old testament really is a history book which explains just about everything you wrote in the first part. Who, what, why and how.

I think about it like this, if all you had was what you knew in your head and you had to tell someone who's never heard about God, about God, what would you tell that person? The message of the gospel and revelations, (being saved and expecting his return) or the old testament laws and ordinances. Time is precious. Not everyone in the world has books and bibles or internets or has ever heard of evangelical preachers. God has that in mind.

Originally posted by The Stand
After reading the bible and some other very interesting books, I have been contemplating that the bible may have been a plan to take over the world physically, mentally and spiritually. A lot of verses seem to imply harm to anybody who does not think like this god wants. Other verses I do not even want to think about because they make me sick as to think god is telling these people to do what I think he is. For example, what does this verse mean? Numbers 31:17-18 “now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

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Hmmm! This one is good. Well not GOOD, but anyway.
What actually took place in a lot of what we read in the Bible (and keep in mind, I am only human, although I do personally know some quite divine people, so I am only giving my very well educated opinion on the matter) where there is this being that claims it is God in scripture, is actually not God at all, but I think they were either the Fallen Ones or negative beings of some kind, maybe even ETs who knows... but they came here on a power trip and wanted to control humans. It makes a lot of sense that they would have been the Fallen Ones, especially with that Bible verse, because the Fallen Ones apparently had/have quite a high sex drive. And let's face it: it's many a man's dream to pop a young virgin. Sadistic? Yes. But it's all part of the whole, all a part of the eternal duality. But God would NEVER condone such a thing, EVER. God is a very merciful and loving being, a very powerful being, and a very HONEST being. Oh, and by the way: God doesn't have anything against gay people either.

Without looking it up since it is Numbers I would assume it is in relation to Joshua's conquest of Palestine and saying in essence kill all the men and boys and make the women and girls slaves... A common practice in those times... The opening books of the Iliad involve similar events.

Originally posted by The Stand
After reading the bible and some other very interesting books, I have been contemplating that the bible may have been a plan to take over the world physically, mentally and spiritually. A lot of verses seem to imply harm to anybody who does not think like this god wants. Other verses I do not even want to think about because they make me sick as to think god is telling these people to do what I think he is. For example, what does this verse mean? Numbers 31:17-18 “now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

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Originally posted by Wertdagf
sadly people always belive somone aslong as their popular and they say god told them. Just like today Mormons, Christians, and Muslims all have their present day revelators who if they desired could convice millions of lost people to kill for them. It doesnt matter if it makes sense only "if it came from god". The only words important in the bible are the words of Jesus. All of old testament is retarded by now.

If you feel that the only important words are the words of Jesus... what if you begin considering that the words of Jesus point towards monotheism, as opposed to concepts of basic christian doctrines such as trinity, Jesus' divinity, salvation through belief/acceptance in christs sacrifice.

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

From what I read it is discussing the capture of the Midianites. And as mentioned in those times these were common practices.
This is Moses (ENLIL) god Abraham influence///// Egyptians(ENKI) god influence

The Old Testament was religious dogma and civil law for one tribe of Man. If that tribe wants to believe that and be held to that standard, let them.

Christ taught a different doctrine than the old testament. I will summarise it for you.

God is within everyone. What you do to someone else, you do to God.
God is this entire existence (Which is why he is in everyone), so love this beautiful existence!

Love God and your neighbor as yourself.

The truth really is that simple.

No where did Christ say to judge anyone.
No where did Christ say to harm anyone.
No where did Christ say to condemn anyone.
No where did Christ say to do anything to anyone that you would not want done to yourself.

Love one another.

The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Heaven is the world we live in IF everyone did what Christ commanded.

That is the truth and that is the simplicity of the truth. All else is lies spewed from the mouth of blasphemers.

With Love,

Your Brother

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Originally posted by The Stand
Numbers 31:17-18 “now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

Actually, you misquote the Bible. Not sure what version you are reading, but it’s wrong.

The King James version says:

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

And the context... Well the Devil's in the context. If you have read the Bible as you state then you will know the context.

It's all Old Testament though and largely irrelevant to modern Christianity which is based on the New Testament. It is more a historical narrative brought together from numerous sources, based on event which occurred over two and a half millennium ago when the world was different and warfare was rather more bloody.

Association with NWO (and all that) is just mischief, convenience and someone having a laugh. Why not use Genghis Khan as his time is better documented and surely he did try to create a NWO.

Regards

If people stop being frozen in Chapter Time and move on then they will reach the 10 Comandments, what ever happened in Numbers was something allocated to early man. Some older books were based on practices and certain positions like priests who had their own laws as would anyone in a certain postision today, a soldier can kill today but does not mean normal people can for example. But secondly the other most important thing is that I doubt these things really went that far amoungst them selves.

If people carry on with the Bible story new rules apply and here are some of them.

12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

13 You shall not kill/murder.

14 You shall not commit adultery.

15 You shall not steal.

16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Which is very different to what Numbers says, the Bible is a progression and the later covenants follow Jesus means the gentiles are saved by faith and not by Law but it does not mean they too can do what they want because they are free to do so.

I haven't read through all the comments I don't have time so here goes my response. In order to understand why so much killing took place you need to learn about how the fallen angels had sex with women. Their motives were to contaminate the genetic pool to the point that Jesus could not be born. The offspring of the fallen angels are not allowed to enter into heaven or hell. They are the disembodied spirits that roam the earth and sometimes possess people. I did not believe this when I first heard it. I read the book of Enoch to get the back story on the fallen angels and learned more about genetics. The Merovingian bloodline is believed to be offspring of the fallen angels.

If you are seriously looking for answers you can u2u me and I will give you resources.

If you wrote this post just to take a swipe at christians, I don't have time for you.

By the way, most christians don't want to hear what I have to say either. It really takes them out of their comfort zone. I believe the mainstream church is deliberately keeping the truth away from the dumb sheep who don't think for themselves.

Have you ever noticed all the talk lately about dna and what they can do to enhance it? Curious about it?

Originally posted by The Stand
After reading the bible and some other very interesting books, I have been contemplating that the bible may have been a plan to take over the world physically, mentally and spiritually. A lot of verses seem to imply harm to anybody who does not think like this god wants. Other verses I do not even want to think about because they make me sick as to think god is telling these people to do what I think he is. For example, what does this verse mean? Numbers 31:17-18 “now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

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The meaning seems plain enough. As God explained more than once, all the people then living in the land were so corrupted, that they had to go. To keep them from corrupting the people of His choice, His bride Israel, He commanded that some people, and in some cases their animals as well, be killed. Killing the men and the non-virgin females kept the bloodlines pure, if the virgins were taken as wives - the kids would still be Israelites. If God was/is sovereign, then He can do what He pleases with any of us. The wonder is that any are allowed to live, and I thank God for it.

I agree the context is crucial to the story. I would like to add something that I don't hear a lot discussed by Christians as to the character of God in the OT as opposed to the NT...it was understood by the early Christians like Paul and Peter that prior to the coming of Christ, commandments were given through the mediation of angels. an example of this is in the Book of Acts when Stephen is addressing the Jewish high priests:
“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.” (7:53)

Also it's clear that not all angels were good, even up to the time of Job (chapter one) where Satan is a member of God's council.

So when Jesus says in the NT 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.' (Luke 10:18) I think it would be safe to say that a change definitely did take place, not in God, but in our understanding of him. Paul wrote concerning the intermediary powers:
'See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. (Colossians 2:8-15)

Its widely overlooked but extremely important doctrine. Hope this helps
don't H8, peace

Originally posted by The Stand
“now kill all the boys and all the women who have had sexual intercourse. Only the little girls may live; you may keep them for yourselves.”

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that's the kind of leader they make tomahawks for. is there a guided missile destroyer off the shore's of heaven?