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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by verbal kint
Out my league too. All I have to go by is "quantum mechanics for dummies", which say that unless you can do the math none of it is going to make any sense and even if you can it's beyond weird.
I can't do the math. I get to calculus then freak out. "They" tell me that at the quantum level it can happen, an electron just turns into a wave and back. You can see where it is but not how it got there, where it's going but not where it will end up. Don't bother me with details. What happens at the quantum level has very little relationship to what happens at the "real" level and attempts to join the two are bound to give one a .ache.
Originally posted by Cairowoman
When I first saw the "What the Bleep" movies it brought me closer to and improved my faith in Jesus. Whether you believe it is God or you someone/thing/universe is listening when you pray.
Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
First, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it does it make a sound?
Second, this looks to me like it could cause huge problems with relativity, yes? If information cannot travel faster than the speed of light, it seems like the whole idea of relativity goes down the drain when two particles, or one particle in two places, are connected and instantly 'changed' no matter the distance.
Originally posted by Krisclin
I joined ATS to say that this is truly an amazing thread. A star and flag for you!
When the electron was exposed to the observer I got reminded of the research method in psychology which is of course named Observation.
When the observed one knows that you are observing him, he will act differently than if he wouldn't know. If he will know, you will infuence the whole observation process thus influence many realities (his and of those that are also participating)...
Originally posted by nikolat23
Here is a possible and simplest explanation;
As a particle travels through space/time it emits a wave of energy. Therefore, the pattern can be either particulate or wave depending on the environment.
Now, when a nearby electronic device is introduced (observer) it probably interferes or cancels out the wave emission of the particle. Canceling the wave will result in a regular particulate pattern.
I believe the test is flawed if it does not consider the "observer's" possible interference.
What I don't understand is how is it possibly for a particle to know that it is observed? Does it have a consciousness of its own (based on logic and what we know, it can't have since it's only matter) or do we have some kind of influence on it? If it is the latter, then why the effect of our influence on the electron is for it to behave as a particle as it already is instead of a wave which normally does when it is not observed? Even if we influence it when we observe it, I don't understand why our influence only has to do with the wave-particle qualities of it. Of course, it is also equally mystifying the way we influence it. What kind of interaction takes place between us, the observers, and the electron...?
Its very strange the way it works, its like i have to think about it, but not to much, i have to have a deeper motivation for it to happen and sometimes i have to imagine it happening, and sometimes it just happens because of a simple thought out of nowhere, it gets me pissed off sometimes.