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Originally posted by pexx421
actually upon reading your posts, i see that my points have affected you, and will make a difference upon your opinions in the future. That is enough for me. Thankd you for reading my words and consideringthem. Namaste!
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by grover
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that argument before. For some reason every defense of Obama has to come back to "context".
The fact remains he revealed that he believes "spreading the wealth" is a good idea. The fact remains that his tax plan is going to be very detrimental to the economy (as already shown by the fear in the markets). The fact remains that they keep changing their story on who is going to get tax increases. ($250,000 to $200,000 to $150,000).
Obama and Biden are coming across as untrustworthy right now. Their ideas on the economy and redistribution of wealth are way off base.
**By the way, the quote you posted is exactly how I've heard the McCain campaign and everyone else play it. I haven't heard it any other "spliced" way.**
[edit on 29-10-2008 by nyk537]
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by dawnstar
That's not it at all I'm afraid.
No one has ever said that the mess we are in now is because of people being afraid of Obama and his economic policies. That fact remains though that that is going on.
I've shown several examples of this going on in another thread already, so the information is out there for you to find. Obama is planning on raising capital gains anywhere from 5 to 10% as soon as he gets in (and that's if you believe those numbers either), so why wouldn't people want to sell their assets now as opposed to then?
Virtually every corporate tax there is will increase under Obama, so quite expectantly the markets are reacting.
The market is not some strange complicated beast some make it out to be, these things are really quite simple.
Originally posted by Aggie Man
reply to post by Skyfloating
Unfortunately, you (or we) pay for that retirement one way or another. If you don't give it to those people, then they will just steal it. Laziness is inherent while being criminal is not. Laziness has no victims while criminal activity can carry grave consequences. I know it's not fair or just; however, it is for the greater good of society as a whole.
Originally posted by Jovi1
Laziness does have victims, ones refusal to work undermines the strength of the whole.
It is better to just give it to them than to put them in jail for stealing it?
How does this mentality make a nation into an economic powerhouse?
How does this type of social system strive for the best possible product?
Why should the lazy sloppy not caring worker be entitled to earn the same as me?
Why should someone not willing to do what i have to do to get the things I want be able to have them?