reply to post by pexx421
"Ok gormly, so i am to assume from your post that you imagine all the people who are not paying taxes now have also never paid taxes in their past,
and will never pay taxes in their future, is that it? Further, they are NOT getting something for free. Everyone pays taxes, they pay taxes everytime
they buy gas, everytime they buy food, clothes, alcohol, anything. They pay taxes every year on their car or home"
Right, so does everybody else, but WE all have to pay income tax as well. So, yes, they are getting something for free. All you described are the
standard taxes that everyone in this country has to pay (not just citizens
) That's your "base taxes". Then you have 60% who have to pay income
"Now only a person who actually MAKES 250k a year could imagine that its not much, and if you have 250k annually your income is hardly reduced to 50k
after taxes, thats a pretty sad exaggeration."
Actually I believe if you re read the post you will see that he was referring to taxes AND ...a home, two college age children and you live in the
north east. It's even less if you get that from "profit" of your own business," Please stop half quoting.
"I do have friends that have some nice homes with plenty room for several children and two middling cars, and they have household incomes of about
70-80k per year, and that seems like plenty to provide their needs. Albeit, most of these people if they lost their jobs would only be a month or two
away from LOSING said house,"
Have you asked them to share their wealth with you?
Bet not, and that those last lines about "provide their needs" and about losing our
houses, that right there is why I and those who agree with me don't want to be taxed more and then share it with others who don't deserve it. A lot
of folks are strapped as it is and much more will break them.
"At any rate, when our forefathers first levied income tax, income was defined as money made from investments, as they recognized the immorality of
taxing those working for a "living" at all, and only taxed those working for "profit". The idea was that sweat and work was a direct exchange for
monetary gain to provide livelihood, and that did not equal profit, just subsistence. Too bad the people in charge of our country today cant see their
way through to such moral clarity."
This is probably the best statement that you have made in this thread pal. No arguments from me there. My only caveat is, just because we have
crappy tax policies now, don't take away my money to give to the poor. Do away with the Fed Res that led to the creation of those bogus taxes in the
"Let me ask you this....in a relationship with a husband and wife, where the wife makes say....20k annually and the husband makes 100k annually. Now
of course the husband wants a home that reflects his prosperity so say they buy a home that costs 500k, and the note is 3200 a month. In YOUR
relationship, do the husband and wife BOTH pay 1600 each toward the mortgage because that is "fair"? It might be equal distribution of bills, but
its a good way to foster resentment and anger in the marriage, and a quick way to a disfunctional relationship. Whether you understand it or not, we
by sharing a society ARE in a relationship with each other, and a husband who sets himself up as the authority and mainstay of the relationship due to
his higher income is one who is perpetrating emotional abuse upon the wife, who while making less may be doing something she believes in, and indeed
All I can say to this one is WOW. I choose to share my money with my significant other. I'm not forced to by my parents. If I CHOOSE to share my
money with you, fine. But no one has the right to tell me that I MUST. That statement was plain ate up with stupid.
"On another note, it is a sad fact that in our society of capitalism the lions share of the profits go not to those who contribute most to their
fellow man, but rather to those who manipulate the system the best."
Fair point. Do something about it...see earlier posts
"Believing yourself truly seperate from your human brothers and sisters only gains you emptiness and estrangement, and will never lead you to true
fulfillment or satisfaction."
That's a very broad statement from a bleeding heart. Who are you to presume what MY fulfillment or satisfaction comes from? Also, my separation
from people that I don't know, or in your case, care to know, well quite frankly that doesn't leave me empty or estranged from my friends, family
and coworkers. You make a pretty big assumption that you know my feelings. Leave my feelings to me buddy.
[edit on 31-10-2008 by midnightbrigade]