Bodies strapped to seats on AA77, Pentagon?

Some believers, who shall remain nameless, state that there were witnesses who saw bodies strapped to the seats of the alleged Flight AA77 after it hit the Pentagon.

I've not yet seen a single coroners report that verifies this. If there were bodies strapped to seats, then those bodies have names - they were people. Therefore, a coroners report should include the name of the body, how it was found, cause of death, photographs of the bodies as crime-scene evidence, etc, all signed by a coroner.

Anyway, my question is this:
We're lead to believe that an alleged high speed crash of the alleged Flight UA93 virtually smashed the bodies on the plane into unrecognisable goo. There were no reports of any bodies being strapped to seats at Shanksville. In fact, were there any seats allegedly found?

However, during another alleged high speed crash of the alleged Flight AA77 at the Pentagon, we're lead to believe that bodies can survive wholly intact, still strapped to their seats.

Which is it, believers? Does the 'soft' ground of an old strip-mine swallow a plane whole, while not leaving bodies intact. Or, does the reinforced, bunker-like walls of a building, smash the plane up while leaving some bodies intact?

Which version of high speed smashes do you expect me to believe?

Could they have been crash test dummies and not real people?

Not that I believe the story, but just saying that I doubt if they were to do something like this, it wouldn't have to entail real people.






[edit on 14-10-2008 by Flighty]

reply to post by tezzajw


Here's your answer:

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reply to post by tezzajw


Having been an aircraft accident investigator, I can tell you you almost never (never say never) find even recognizable body parts, much less still strapped in seats, from a high speed impact accident......

reply to post by habu71


Yes, Especially When it was obviously a Missile.

If you want the Peoples names. You have the Flightnumber, and there will be a Passengers List recorded somehwere, also the companies who took the bookings for the flight will have them stored.

What bodies? I did not know any where found, I have research 911 for years this is news to me. I do not see how any remains ware found when the airplanes disintegrated on impact. If the Government said there were bodies found at the crash sites, they are lying.
What would you expect from our Government these days anyway? They are hiding a lot of info from the people and that mean one thing only (they are involved) and do not want to be caught.

To this day, I have not figured out how the FBI got all the passengers DNA from all the crash sites especially the WTC, when the buildings exploded to dust and the concrete vaporized before the building hit the ground. I just cannot figure how they found any airplane parts much less any bodies!
If you ask me, I think the whole story stinks and our Government is full of it.
Once a liar, always a liar.



[edit on 10/14/2008 by cashlink]

Originally posted by cashlink
What bodies? I did not know any where found, I have research 911 for years this is news to me. I do not see how any remains ware found when the airplanes disintegrated on impact.

You have researched 911 for years. Ok, can you tell me how many victims of flight 77 were identified by DNA evidence?

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Agree.... I have seen no remotely credible direct statements about pax strapped in seats.......all new to me....if anyone has some, let's see them.......I'd like to debunk their statements and see how many times through FOIA (or refusals to release) they were interviewed by the "Sisters".

Seymour, do you have anything to contribute to this thread, other than quoting part of my signature?

Why would some believers claim that there were Pentagon witnesses who saw 'bodies strapped into seats', as a result from a high speed crash.

Yet, there were no Shanksville witnesses saw any bodies at all?

Seymour, do you have an answer?

reply to post by habu71


www.usatoday.com...

Same comments from a .gov site

usinfo.state.gov...

though the second isn't directly about the topic at hand.

If there was really a body found strapped in, then there would most likely be pictures taken, just like the other bodies/remains photographed in the pentagon.

reply to post by tezzajw

No because he is lying!

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Originally posted by tezzajw
I've not yet seen a single coroners report that verifies this. If there were bodies strapped to seats, then those bodies have names - they were people. Therefore, a coroners report should include the name of the body, how it was found, cause of death, photographs of the bodies as crime-scene evidence, etc, all signed by a coroner.

Are coroner reports typically released? I would imagine this is personal information and so would typically only be released to the family? I certainly don't know for sure, but I would like to know whether you're speculating or you have some actual knowledge of the subject.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt

Originally posted by cashlink
What bodies? I did not know any where found, I have research 911 for years this is news to me. I do not see how any remains ware found when the airplanes disintegrated on impact.

You have researched 911 for years. Ok, can you tell me how many victims of flight 77 were identified by DNA evidence?

None?

First they came up with the BS official story that the very flimsy 757 nose cone formed the C Ring Exit Hole into the A&E Drive. When that was recognized for the nonsense which it was, the new BS official story became a landing gear formed the C Ring Exit Hole into the A&E Drive. Then another BS story trickled out for a short while that an engine formed the C Ring Exit Hole into the A&E Drive.



Of course there was no sign of a nose cone, landing gear, nor engine anywhere near the A&E Drive nor was there any damage to the B Ring wall across from the Exit Hole. Standard government official BS.

Then the BS official story became a perfectly circular ball of fire formed the C Ring Exit Hole into the A&E Drive. More BS. There was no sign of raging fires in the A&E Drive nor were there burn marks on the B Ring wall opposite the Exit Hole. But this seems to be the official BS story they have settled on.

However DNA strands are highly sensitive to heat, and guess where the liars claimed they found a whole bunch of Flight 77 passenger DNA? Yep. You guessed it. Right out there inside and outside of the Exit Hole. Apparently they figured both the nose cone with the passengers all crammed into the cockpit and the perfectly circular ball of fire blew the Exit Hole through the C Ring wall. No explanation on how DNA survived all that heat nor any explanation on how a flimsy fuselage nose cone could bore a hole through the outer steel reinforced Pentagon wall and through multiple reinforced columns to end up way over in the A&E Drive, carrying all this alleged DNA with it. Just standard government official BS.

Actual Cause Of A&E Drive Exit Hole Based On Reality


Rapid Wall Breaching Kit

Was the C-Ring Exit Hole Created With a Military Rapid Wall Breaching Kit

Alleged Locations Of Flight 77 DNA At Pentagon

Alleged Location Of Barbara Olson DNA At Pentagon

Originally posted by exponent
Are coroner reports typically released?

I don't know.

Here's your quote from another thread:

Originally posted by exponent
Evidence in favour of AA77 being the source of wreckage inside The Pentagon:

Eyewitness accounts of recovery efforts including plane passenger corpses still strapped into seats

So which is it, exponent - do bodies survive, intact, from a high-speed crash or not?

This site has photos of bodies that were used as evidence, but none that are still strapped in their seats.

It has some of the best photos I have seen.

911research.wtc7.net...

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

Were those pictures of people already inside the Pentagon or of people allegedly in the plane?

If they were alleged plane passengers, then why is it that their bodies could survive a high-speed crash - yet no passenger bodies survived the alleged high-speed crash at Shanksville on Flight UA93?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Were those pictures of people already inside the Pentagon or of people allegedly in the plane?

No clue at all. I am not making any claim one way or the other as I simply dont know.

I didnt see anything on the site or the photos that would give me any idea if the bodies were alleged plane victims or building occupants. Its just what I turned up when I googled for bodies and evidence from the Pentagon.

It was more in support of the theory that if they had pictures of bodies in seats that they would have been used as evidence. None of the pictures here used as evidence were in seats.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
No clue at all. I am not making any claim one way or the other as I simply dont know.

Cool, mate. I wasn't making any accusations against you.

exponent claimed that there were witnesses who saw bodies strapped into plane seats, so we'll let exponent prove that it was true. Maybe exponent might wish to retract his claim about what the alleged witnesses allegedly saw?

WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

www.usatoday.com...

Rescue crews were able to pull Calley's body from Flight 77's wreckage. Now, after a long period of hesitation, Jensen plans to let the Pacific waters take her cremated remains.

gilroydispatch.com...


How come its so hard for toofers to find witnesses......




And here's a site listing interviews done with military personnel present at the Pentagon that day. Not much in specifics about finding bodies in seats, but plenty about Flight 77 and the damaged it wreaked.

www.aal77.com...