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reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 10:29 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by centurion1211


By democrats as a whole? You can't bunch us all together as one entity. Just become one group did something stupid doesn't make me or any other democrat accountable.

God, if it worked that way, we'd all be screwed.


reply posted on 9-10-2008 @ 11:23 PM by TheRedneck
I think I need to jump in here. So far I'm not seeing anything sinister tying Obama to ACORN, but there is apparently a tie. I heard about this on Lou Dobbs Tonight earlier this evening. I found a transcript of his show at transcripts.cnn.com... , including the following relevant mention:


TUCKER: And ACORN has been paid $800,000 by the Obama campaign to register voters. And there's another connection between ACORN and the Democratic presidential candidate Obama. Obama, along with the Department of Justice, represented the group in a lawsuit to force the state of Illinois to comply with voter registration law, Lou.

DOBBS: So, to -- again, to be clear, there is no question that the Obama campaign is paying ACORN...

TUCKER: That's correct.

DOBBS: ... for voter registration? And that now that ACORN is being with fraudulent registration, voter fraud, in effect, across a number of states all across the country?

TUCKER: That is absolutely correct.

DOBBS: And there is no federal investigation at this point? This is absolutely obscene and outrageous.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Now it would appear form Mr. Dobbs' comments that he is upset about this link. In a way, so am I, as ACORN is apparently receiving taxpayer money to run a fraudulent voter-registration scheme. But from a pragmatic standpoint, I can see what this is supposed to accomplish. Obama's campaign, according to the excerpt above, is paying a fee to ACORN for processing new voter registration. Apparently, so is the government itself. Now, while I can see good in registering new voters, isn't this something they can simply do at the local courthouse? I registered to vote back when I was 18 by going down to the courthouse and filling out a short form. Why do we even need voter registration companies? This is more of a pork problem than a politician trying to undermine democracy.

Let's face it: voter registration does not equal votes. There is a difference between filling out a fraudulent form in order to garner a few extra dollars, and allowing fraud in the voting booths themselves. Now, it is troubling to me that this has happened, and even more so that I helped pay for it to happen, but I just don't (yet) see this as a major issue in the candidacy. I see it as a big issue on pork barrel spending (earmarks) and government accountability... and didn't Obama pledge to put all bills online for the public to peruse? That sounds like accountability right there, not a lack of it.

I as well as Sublime, am waiting for some proof of wrongdoing by Obama. After all, if the government itself is giving huge sums of money for voter registration, what is so terrible about one candidate doing the same thing? Well, aside from the fact that if the contributions were based on the number of voters registered, there is incentive to create new voters... there's that accountability issue again.

If it is proven that Obama knew (or should have known) about the fraud, and was actively assisting in aiding the fraud, then it will sway my vote (which is now for Obama, thanks to McCain's big mouth; McCain urges Bush to bypass Congress). But until then, I have to chalk it up to more frantic mudslinging by the right wing. Sorry, but this just smacks of the same associative scare tactics as Rev. Wright, Tony Rezco, etc. I'm getting awfully tired of those tactics...

TheRedneck


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 12:26 AM by sos37
reply to post by TheRedneck


Nice find! I don't think it will be investigated in time enough to effect the election though. Like I said - I can see a huge Supreme Court battle on the horizon.



reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:17 AM by FlyersFan
You tube video

Interesting video Well worth watching.

Obama - "I've been working alongside ACORN ... "

He was their lawyer. Looks like he might have been a foot soldier as well.
I can't tell if he was gathering voter registrations for them ...
Ya'll watch. See what you think.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:35 AM by undermind
ACORN doesn't register voters - that has to be done with the official electoral office in your state.

What does ACORN do? They collect AND VERIFY for the electoral office voter registration forms from people who otherwise wouldn't dream of voting.

Admittedly, I can't imagine the majority of 70 yr old Mrs B's in the riverside trailerparks of the nation being too fussed about turning up at a McCain rally.

That said, these TV raids are clearly taking advantage of people's ignorance.

If they aren't, then SHOW US THE COURT RULINGS against ACORN.


MSM never mention that it is ACORN themselves who flag the potentially fraudulent and/or incomplete forms to the electoral offices in the first place?

They have to. By law. Every form is turned in, suspect, validated or incomplete.

District judges laughing the GOP out on to the sidewalk:

Montana GOP Spanked by Judge for Bogus, Illegal Voter Challenges

U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy spanked the Montana GOP's Executive Director Jake Eaton for his unsubstantiated (and since-withdrawn) challenge to 6,000 voters in Democratic-leaning counties yesterday, solely on the basis that they'd filed change of address forms within the last 18 months.

"The timing of these challenges is so transparent that it defies common sense to believe the purpose is anything but political chicanery," he added before noting that the challenges clearly violate federal law, since they come so close before an election, and focused only on counties where Democratic-leaning voters live.






[edit on 10-10-2008 by undermind]


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:09 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by undermind
Then where are the court cases prosecuting these felonies?
Just one? Go ahead. You won't find any. Why?


Why? Because it just came to light. It's being uncovered as we speak.

Oy.

More Story Here

Obama and his campaign funneled hundreds of thousands of $$$ through CITIZENS SERVICES INC. - an ACORN shell corporation.

The Woods Fund and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge - involving both Obama nd Terrorist Ayers - funneled large sums of money to ACORN.

The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports that obama was an attorney for ACORN, trained ACORN activists and dispensed funds to ACORN.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 09:56 AM by undermind
reply to post by FlyersFan


Why? Because it just came to light. It's being uncovered as we speak.


Oh sorry, I just thought you might count the last 15 or so end-in-nothing times the GOP have moved on ACORN before an election.

My bad.

Oh look, here's a US Supreme Court Writ from last year detailing quite a few of those GOP moves and stating to the United States Supreme Court (Under penalty of adverse finding if statements are found to be false):

ACORN’s experience confirms that significant
voter impersonation fraud is a damaging myth.
Despite numerous investigations and lawsuits in
Florida and Ohio, ACORN has never confronted a well-
founded allegation of voter impersonation fraud. No
voter impersonation fraud has ever been prosecuted,
all relevant civil complaints have been dismissed,
and problematic voter registrations have been few.







[edit on 10-10-2008 by undermind]


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:15 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by TheRedneck


It would make sense that he would be giving them lump sums also. They are a group he worked with in the past and had no (known) problems with. He helped them get a law in place in Illinois that helped poor, elderly, and disabled people get registered to vote.

So, I can see why the Obama camp would turn to them to get voters registered. Also, in this election, most of the people they would get registered would be voting for Barrack Obama.

So let's examine the money trail and motivation:

1) Barrack pays Acorn to register voters.
    Motivation - The more votes Acorn registers, the more votes he gets in the poll, since it is likely that a large percentage of voters they register would be liberal.

2) Acorn commits voter registration fraud.
    Motivation - The more votes Acorn registers, the more funding they receive for their cause in the future.


[edit on 10-10-2008 by Sublime620]


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:45 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by zlots331


Possibly. I mean, if they really wanted to, I am sure there is a way. It's probably not that difficult either, considering how broken our current system is.

I first thought about it when I considered how hard it would be for them to keep track of all of the fraudulent registrants they created. How did they flag them? Did they keep them in a separate book? Then I thought about how they would actually pull of getting the votes in.

Further investigation is certainly needed. We'll find out soon enough what their plans were.


reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:38 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by Sublime620
That's basically the same thing I was saying. It looks right now as if there is a tie, but that the tie is nothing more than a familiarity with the organization he worked with when he was fresh out of law school. I actually thought it was impressive that he chose to try and help the areas he grew up in via ACORN rather than jump straight into a high-paying job.

Is it just me, or is all the mud being slung toward Obama somehow making him shine? I mean, Rev. Wright may be an idiot but he brought to light the fact that Obama is not a Muslim. The Rezco tie apparently did nothing, because Obama wasn't involved in anything untoward. Now this deal with ACORN just emphasizes his self-sacrifice. Sheesh, maybe Obama should be paying Fox News for helping his campaign.

TheRedneck
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