Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel

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and the truth is none of these people are doing anything wrong.

Which people are you talking about??

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

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People often say why spend money on Space?

My response is...

It's our only hope...

varied diverse cultures packed together and forced to deal with eachother have NO solution for peace

I so disagree with that. We have lots of other options for peace. We could voluntarily reduce our birthrate so that each group of individuals could live within their means (what the environment can provide) on the historical land that they love. That is an option. Why people pretend it is not is beyond me. The truth of the matter is, SPACE is not yet an option. We do not have the technology to settle off of Earth as yet, and at the rate we are going we never will.

If being packed together is the problem, then stop the packing.

As for what an honor it is to be selected as one of many wives of a leader. Go to prison. Write us a few years later and tell us what an honor it was to be the butt buddy of one of the gang leaders in there. After all, what is wrong with that? It is just the culture in prison, and if other people and TV werent around to tell you it you didnt like it, surely you would.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
The alternative is a generic culture and lack of beliefs and faith, it will be just as bloody when people rebel from that.

No it is not the only alternative. We can quite easily do what humans have been doing before the population got so incredibly large that we are all in one anothers laps.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Many reactions will say it's not possible

My response would be:

This Bailout 700 BILLION

Equal to 72 YEARS of Nasa's current budget.

Our Military Expenditure in total since The war began

Equal to aprox, 800 years of Nasa's Budget

What does a dollar amount have to do with anything? It is no guarantee that if we throw more money at the problem the problem will be solved. It COULD be. But there is no guarantee it will. We have not even created a closed self sustaining environment here on Earth that can support human life. We simply dont understand the how all the pieces come together in the "Web of life" well enough. I am not saying "we never will" I actually hope we do. I just dont think it is wise to take a "the currently impossible solution is the ONLY solution" stance. As I see it that is just an excuse to do nothing.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
How difficult would it be to create a greenhouse effect on Mars or reverse it on Venus?

Got a plan to do it? Last time I checked we didnt know how to reverse the greenhouse effect on Earth.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
It could be done, we have and are without intention... doing it to Earth right now..altering the climate...

We are also operating on a planet that had a lot of resources that enabled us to contribute to global warming within a system that had been warming and cooling on its own for a long period of time. We dont know how that system works well enough to recreate it on a world with an entirely alien atmosphere. We dont even understand how ours works. Technically, no reputable scientist I have ever read is attributing all of this warming trend on human activity. They are simply saying there is evidence that we have pushed the CO2 levels well above any examinable levels of CO2 as demonstrated by the Vostek ice core samples, and that CO2 levels and warming appear to be correlated. They are not saying we are solely responsible, but that we are responsible for the levels above any historical levels we can discern because they just so happen to correspond to the increase in our use of fossil fuels and other things that produce CO2.

I dont think there is any reason humans cannot learn to manage themselves in terms of people per square mile. We have the technology to do that fairly, humanely, and every indication that people are WILLING to do so wherever they are allowed to without interference by a religion of government.

www.pbs.org...

Edward O. Wilson: I think that’s fundamentally right. Where the birth control, you know, organized birth control methods and making contraceptive methods available comes in is that it enables people, particularly women, but it’s apparently a universal human response and particularly female response, that once one gets a certain level of security in their lives, and in the case of women a sufficient empowerment so they make their own decisions, they opt for a small number of quality children as opposed to, well, just producing big families.

So humanity has many options for survival and getting along. Respecting individual choice and decision making seems to be a huge part of making that work. NOT imposing a "plan" for "one way" of doing things. Unless you call allowing individuals the right to choose freely a draconian plan. The only thing that seems to need to be done en masse is a revolt against systemic exploitation and oppression of one group of people by another. I fail to see, but perhaps you can enlighten me, why that is not a viable option.

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hahahaha, we have these *snip* in droves over here where i live. They own the town council, the police department, public works, everything. My position's been overrun for years, and i've been desperately trying to get help, but nobody listens.

Those of us left here who AREN'T part of their "religion" hate them with an indescribable intensity of passion, seldom seen since the KKK declared their hatred for the blacks, or the nazi's hatred of jews, and pretty much everyone that wasn't them.

This news doesn't surprise me...they pull that crap around here, and get away with it. killing their kids, assaulting police officers, stealing people's homes out from under them, so they can buy up the land on the cheap, and develop it.

I've seen the face of evil, and it lives across the street, and completely encircles my neighborhood, my block, my whole frakin' town.

As it was said in one of my favorite hip-hop songs: "if you're into sight-seein' don't visit here."

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[edit on 10/6/2008 by maria_stardust]

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Daedalus, i am afraid to ask , but i have to. Where do you live? Just so i will not visit there ,accidentally.
I promise - no sightseeing, nothing. Simply i wonder where droves of criminals kill their kids, assault police officers and ctr, and are not behind the bars.

I am not trying to be funny, or insulting; But isn't that about how the Amish in America began?

A few people in the group insist on excluding outside influences and the threats of technology, and the next thing you know it snowballs into total technophobia and a rejection of anything which is the least bit appealing.
Pictures and Music become sinful things filled with temptation.

When such a movement begins in a group which is already fundimentalist it could become extemist very easily.

The world is primed for groups to begin shunning all things technological in anticipation of the fall of the technological society. Technology is extrely stressful, many people have wished for a simpler more satisfying lifestyle for quite a while already.

This headline is sensationalism at best. It represents merely a regrettable minority. Not only that, but minorities like these are found in literally any country in the world. Therefore it begs the question of the agenda of the editor/collumnist in such a provocative and inaccurate headline.

Sure these minorities exist, whether orthodox jewish/christian or fundamentalist extreme islam and they need to be quashed. Still, at least in Israel these groups don't hold and control government unlike other countries i can think of.

Good article and topic nonetheless.

"They have torched a store that sells MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography. "

i have to ponder... would a devout jew download porn in the first place?

ultra-Orthodox Jews are no different than ultra-Orthodox Islam. They are nothing but an off shut of one another. Before you know it the ultra-Orthodox fundamentilist Christians will do the same thing. If they want to live like that then send them all to seperate islands and form their community there and leave them alone with no contact with the outside world. Lets see how they like it then.

I gotta agree with BROTHERS here on this one. Give ANY group the ability and someone's gonna take it ultra personally- allowing no gray area.

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Thats exactly the point I made in my first post. Extremism in any form, no matter what god(s) you happen to worship is not good at all

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
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Daedalus, i am afraid to ask , but i have to. Where do you live? Just so i will not visit there ,accidentally.
I promise - no sightseeing, nothing. Simply i wonder where droves of criminals kill their kids, assault police officers and ctr, and are not behind the bars.

Given your stated location, i have no way of knowing you're not one of them. so i'm not telling you what town/state i live in. Last thing i need is a visit from one of the shomrim's black vans....did you know that (at least around here) they like to rough people up who become too much of a nuisance to them? i've even heard of them abducting people to do it.

I sense a certain sarcasm or facetiousness, as if you think i'm full of it. I assure you, i'm not. everything i described is factually accurate, and the events did happen.

These people (and i used that word loosely) think that they are god's chosen, and that they are above the law. it's wrong, and it really does need to stop, but i don't think it will...this place is beyond redemption....

Now, i know what you're thinking....."he's anti-semitic"

Well, you can just cut that out right now....i'm not. I LIKE jews...real ones, anyway...this collective of nasties are fake jews. they simply use the status to shield themselves from the law. You're not here though, and assuming you're not one of them, you have no point of reference.

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how about instead of acting that way just tell him your country? or are you ashamed?

I can agree that fanatics exist in every religion. sad but true.

But what shocked me more in the thread was to find out Israel has segregated busses.. I mean, I know of some Evil stuff that goes on in the country but I thought that if not for that Palestinian issue the country was modern and all..

But having segregated busses means that's not attributed to a couple fanatics but an institutionalized discrimination.

When it happened in the US, Rosa Parks became a symbol and that backwardism got torn down. Maybe it is time for an Israeli Rosa Parks ?

Provided they don't behead her first for daring to speak up against their system, offcourse.

Originally posted by Harlequin
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how about instead of acting that way just tell him your country? or are you ashamed?

Not sure where you're going with this. I act this way, because i'm smart enough to know what to say, and what not to say. If the mods have any problem with what i'm saying, they can PM me, and i'll tell them whatever they want to know.

you obviously have no appreciation of the level of danger supplying my location and identity would put me and my family in.

as for my country, i thought it was fairly obvious i'm in the USA. As for shame...the only thing i'm ashamed of is the way in which my government is choosing to act.

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Originally posted by theblunttruth
This headline is sensationalism at best. It represents merely a regrettable minority. Not only that, but minorities like these are found in literally any country in the world. Therefore it begs the question of the agenda of the editor/collumnist in such a provocative and inaccurate headline.

Sure these minorities exist, whether orthodox jewish/christian or fundamentalist extreme islam and they need to be quashed. Still, at least in Israel these groups don't hold and control government unlike other countries i can think of.

Good article and topic nonetheless.

Yeah but that one was found where it was found. Others are found where they are found, are you saying all are off limits or only this one?
Because it sure sounds like you are saying this one is "Special".

It is not. Talking about it is not racist or any IST you wish to apply in a state of abject appalation.

The subject of extremism is being addressed.
At whatever scale it happens to be at, and the potential for harm and escalation is quite real.

Remember the Brown Shirts. No one took them seriously, they were only a few at first. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
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You can probably conclude that the Jews and the Muslims aren't much and i say "Much" God dammit, different from each other.

I personally take it as a compliment.Much much better then "sons of apes and monkeys". I suggest you to take one step further in the right direction and to add that both those groups aren't much different from humans in general. I know that it is a hard step

, but take a look on this planet in general and try to find one place where there is no hate/violence. If you do find it - please , tell me about it.

No seriously, Jews and Muslims have lived together in harmony for centuries. When the crusades came there were Jews fighting with Muslims to protect the holy land. But these politics have messed up every thing. They literally have the same religion. Worship the same 1 true God. I don't see where the go wrong? Just like my Jewish English professor once said, "we're like cousins."

frankly,I would have supported the orthodox jews if they were not so hateful of christians,trying subversion and doing human sacrifice on Purim.