Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel , page 3

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

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People often say why spend money on Space?

My response is...

It's our only hope...

varied diverse cultures packed together and forced to deal with eachother have NO solution for peace

I so disagree with that. We have lots of other options for peace. We could voluntarily reduce our birthrate so that each group of individuals could live within their means (what the environment can provide) on the historical land that they love. That is an option. Why people pretend it is not is beyond me. The truth of the matter is, SPACE is not yet an option. We do not have the technology to settle off of Earth as yet, and at the rate we are going we never will.

If being packed together is the problem, then stop the packing.

As for what an honor it is to be selected as one of many wives of a leader. Go to prison. Write us a few years later and tell us what an honor it was to be the butt buddy of one of the gang leaders in there. After all, what is wrong with that? It is just the culture in prison, and if other people and TV werent around to tell you it you didnt like it, surely you would.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
The alternative is a generic culture and lack of beliefs and faith, it will be just as bloody when people rebel from that.

No it is not the only alternative. We can quite easily do what humans have been doing before the population got so incredibly large that we are all in one anothers laps.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Many reactions will say it's not possible

My response would be:

This Bailout 700 BILLION

Equal to 72 YEARS of Nasa's current budget.

Our Military Expenditure in total since The war began

Equal to aprox, 800 years of Nasa's Budget

What does a dollar amount have to do with anything? It is no guarantee that if we throw more money at the problem the problem will be solved. It COULD be. But there is no guarantee it will. We have not even created a closed self sustaining environment here on Earth that can support human life. We simply dont understand the how all the pieces come together in the "Web of life" well enough. I am not saying "we never will" I actually hope we do. I just dont think it is wise to take a "the currently impossible solution is the ONLY solution" stance. As I see it that is just an excuse to do nothing.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
How difficult would it be to create a greenhouse effect on Mars or reverse it on Venus?

Got a plan to do it? Last time I checked we didnt know how to reverse the greenhouse effect on Earth.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
It could be done, we have and are without intention... doing it to Earth right now..altering the climate...

We are also operating on a planet that had a lot of resources that enabled us to contribute to global warming within a system that had been warming and cooling on its own for a long period of time. We dont know how that system works well enough to recreate it on a world with an entirely alien atmosphere. We dont even understand how ours works. Technically, no reputable scientist I have ever read is attributing all of this warming trend on human activity. They are simply saying there is evidence that we have pushed the CO2 levels well above any examinable levels of CO2 as demonstrated by the Vostek ice core samples, and that CO2 levels and warming appear to be correlated. They are not saying we are solely responsible, but that we are responsible for the levels above any historical levels we can discern because they just so happen to correspond to the increase in our use of fossil fuels and other things that produce CO2.

I dont think there is any reason humans cannot learn to manage themselves in terms of people per square mile. We have the technology to do that fairly, humanely, and every indication that people are WILLING to do so wherever they are allowed to without interference by a religion of government.

www.pbs.org...

Edward O. Wilson: I think that’s fundamentally right. Where the birth control, you know, organized birth control methods and making contraceptive methods available comes in is that it enables people, particularly women, but it’s apparently a universal human response and particularly female response, that once one gets a certain level of security in their lives, and in the case of women a sufficient empowerment so they make their own decisions, they opt for a small number of quality children as opposed to, well, just producing big families.

So humanity has many options for survival and getting along. Respecting individual choice and decision making seems to be a huge part of making that work. NOT imposing a "plan" for "one way" of doing things. Unless you call allowing individuals the right to choose freely a draconian plan. The only thing that seems to need to be done en masse is a revolt against systemic exploitation and oppression of one group of people by another. I fail to see, but perhaps you can enlighten me, why that is not a viable option.