How the hell is their thinking any different from extremist muslims?

Originally posted by FredT

zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behavior they consider unchaste. They hurl stones at women for such "sins" as wearing a red blouse, and attack stores selling devices that can access the Internet.

In recent weeks, self-styled "modesty patrols" have been accused of breaking into the apartment of a Jerusalem woman and beating her for allegedly consorting with men. They have torched a store that sells MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Thats like something out of Afghanistan when they were under Taliban rule.





[edit on 4-10-2008 by ben420]

Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel

A TINY exaggeration. I fail to see fear on the streets. Even in the neighborhoods that have this problem.
Now those guys are of course real, there are dozens of them - active ones, more in silent support groups. Police is taking care of that, but it is hard - ultra-religious groups are not that open to Israeli official representatives. The case described is serious one, but sadly not the first. Once again, it still happens very very rarely.
As you said - there are extremists/fanatics in any social group. And in any social group those people should be stopped, or at least contained.
Still, "sow fear in Israel" - is very funny. In my personal list of fear-inducing scenarios (and my country is rich with those) - it is somewhere near the bottom. And i live in Jerusalem - what this not-interested-in-exaggerated-headlines journalist will probably name as one of the "strongholds" of these guys.

Originally posted by FredT


This sounds alot like the Taliban no?

Yes, it's hard to disagree.

There's much I don't like about living in the modern 21st century but I don't relish the idea of other people trying to turn it back a couple of hundred years.

What's their hurry? Between the economy, elitist power grabs and change in climate it's going to be like living in the middle-ages soon anyway.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

Jewish 'modesty patrols' sow fear in Israel

A TINY exaggeration. I fail to see fear on the streets. Even in the neighborhoods that have this problem.
Now those guys are of course real, there are dozens of them - active ones, more in silent support groups. Police is taking care of that, but it is hard - ultra-religious groups are not that open to Israeli official representatives. The case described is serious one, but sadly not the first. Once again, it still happens very very rarely.
As you said - there are extremists/fanatics in any social group. And in any social group those people should be stopped, or at least contained.
Still, "sow fear in Israel" - is very funny. In my personal list of fear-inducing scenarios (and my country is rich with those) - it is somewhere near the bottom. And i live in Jerusalem - what this not-interested-in-exaggerated-headlines journalist will probably name as one of the "strongholds" of these guys.

I think you will find that amongst the ultra-orthodox communities there is genuine fear of these people-they tend to keep things in the group, and they are usually endorsed and supported by the leaders (ie Hasidic Rebbes),-therefore going to the 'authorities' will have you an outcast in no time.
Yes, to secular Jews they are no issue at all, to teen girls in the Hasidic communities, they are a cause of real constant fear.

[edit on 4-10-2008 by Rinorino2]

The only way the closed communities could be close to the general public would be to have a comman threat or goal to unite them. Right now, they perceive the general public as a threat to their spiritual goals and that it is their duty to God to correct that.

So am i to assume that there is a head-cutting-off tradition on Canadian buses?

Am i meant to take that seriously??

You think an organized religion can be compared to a lone lunatic??


As you said,its easy to be optimistic when you live in a safe area.
It can also make you blind.
If you don't see it first hand then it can't possibly be true.

The situation of silent conflict between different Jewish groups exists at least for centuries.

Not always so silent.I'm sure you've heard of the Maccabaean Revolt.

No Jewish civil war exists.

Not yet.But you can just make it out on the horizon.

I can't help but notice that bullies always pick on those weaker than themselves. In most cases, this happens to be women and children. The radical Muslims really concentrate on women (such as; dress, behavior and hierarchal order) and rank them lower than a dog. In the United States, the Mormans and many of the Pentecostal churches rank women as lower than the men (such as; they can't speak in church except in certain situations, the men can dictate their dress and behavior and as in the case of the Mormans; they tell them who they can or can't marry). Now in the Orthodox Jewish community that same ugly spirit raises its Hydra head.

Do you realize who Lucifer/Satan went after in the garden of Eden? The woman. In my estimation, the woman must be very important for the enemy of all mankind to target her then and to target her now.

In my spiritual beliefs (I am a Christian) I have found by reading the King James Holy Bible that Jesus Christ (who was a rabbi to many) spoke to women in public (a no-no to the strict adherents of Judaism), included them in his ministry (see Luke 8:1-3) and respected them enough to recognize them as important in the kingdom of God. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Susanna and many others helped support Jesus and his disciples out of their own means.

This focused hatred fed by religious fervor has proven in the past to be destructive and so it is today. When when we learn the lesson that hate is of our enemy, Satan, and love is of God?

I meant: When WILL we learn the lesson that hate is of our enemy, Satan, and love is of God?

AS i have said many times in the past , there are fanatics and zealots everywhere - and its those small groups which cast a taint on everyone else - the decapitations by extreme muslims to the bible burning (and now this) by extremist jews;

but how many times does the MSM report all the good things christians , muslims and jews do? they don`t unless its a real slow news day - but when we have stoning (notice the correlation to muslim extremists there as well) of unchaste women then its headline news.


there is a rot in the world - the extremists are gaining support - especially with such succesful foreign policy as a certain country has

This has been going on since like the begining this isnt even new.
I had a friend that was a girl that grew up there, shes told me over the years things like "You dont walk alone if youre a girl without other girls or your parents". You dont hang around a guy if youre not married etc...

Something along those lines anyhow. Its nothing new though. I dont agree with stoning people but I prefer their society to the Paris Hiltons of ours the "USA". I just dont find women that sleep with multiple people attractive.

Their culture is being influenced by ours, and not to long ago they WERE throwing stones. This is what happens when you give technology to a more primitive society that did not invent it. Islam has the same thing happening in parts of their countries. They had sand and camels and then we went over their for oil and made them rich.

They have a lot of matureing to do then you hear people flat out target the abuse done to women only and nothing about the poverty, childen dying and men starving. Its a direct social attack on the american women because theyll raise their kids to hate Islam etc... Just more fodder for the oil wars.

Originally posted by Memysabu
This has been going on since like the begining this isnt even new.
I had a friend that was a girl that grew up there, shes told me over the years things like "You dont walk alone if youre a girl without other girls or your parents". You dont hang around a guy if youre not married etc...

Something along those lines anyhow. Its nothing new though. I dont agree with stoning people but I prefer their society to the Paris Hiltons of ours the "USA". I just dont find women that sleep with multiple people attractive.

Their culture is being influenced by ours, and not to long ago they WERE throwing stones. This is what happens when you give technology to a more primitive society that did not invent it. Islam has the same thing happening in parts of their countries. They had sand and camels and then we went over their for oil and made them rich.

They have a lot of matureing to do then you hear people flat out target the abuse done to women only and nothing about the poverty, childen dying and men starving. Its a direct social attack on the american women because theyll raise their kids to hate Islam etc... Just more fodder for the oil wars.

erm yeah - we are talking about Israel not other `oil rich backwards countries`


unless you think israel is a backwards country that needs maturing??