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Originally posted by Wolf321
After all the events that have occurred in the last 7 years (domestic spying, executive orders that ignore the constitution, abuse by those in authority, and the government bail outs, etc.) What do you feel would justify a violent overthrow? At what point do you feel the government has stopped acting for and in the interest of the people?
Originally posted by elysiumfire
Hi There,
Being a Brit, I would hope you welcome some observations and comments I'd like to make concerning the 'OP's' question on 'what would justify the overthrow of the (currently incumbent) American administration'?
You are not out to overthrow the administration, but to seek a return to Constitutional values. There is no need to offer violence on the streets of America, but by all means peacefully protest: in fact, it is essential that you do...in your millions, time and time again. Doing so may run the risk of running the gauntlet of violence meted out to the protester by the authorities, but alas, that is what you are going to have to face.
Let the world see that the American people are doing whatever is necessary (short of being violent) to repatriate themselves to the values of their Constitution. You will see a wave of empathy engulf the planet that has never been witnessed. The problem (from the foreign perspective) is that Americans are perceived not to understand that what transpires in America ripples out to affect other countries. Your apathy sends out the wrong signal, rather than being in the same boat as some other countries, you are perceived to sanction whatever your administration deems fit for its own benefit...hence you are criticised.
The time of election is almost upon you, and is the time (the all-pervading moment) to be most vociferous in the loudest voice, shouting out as one nation for the principles upon which it was foundered. Let your feet thunder down the roads to the Whitehouse, let the rumble underfoot shake and tremble the theives in that hallowed building...what have you got to lose now, but the proud name America? If you do nothing, you will surely lose it. The dream is over, awaken now to the nightmare and shake it from your hearts, but above all be not timid...be not a 'fair-weather patriot', rejoice in the cause that is now your greatest purpose...save your bloody country!
Remember, you don't get mad...you get even...oh so even! What are you up against, an overwhelming adversary? Never! Not even in your wildest imaginings. They are just crooks who must now face the people and the world for what they have done. Do not allow them a profit, or a gate by which to escape. If this is your bleakest hour, then it is also the time when the tide turns...all you have to do is reach out and grasp the hour. Do it as a nation or die as one.
Best wishes
Originally posted by hILB3rT
WoW....that was very well put. It gave me chills. We need more people that think as you do in this country.
Now imagine if those thousands had rifles, shotguns, and pistols, AND WERE WILLING TO USE THEM. What do you think the result would have been?
what will actually happen is that you'll end up another timmy mcveigh, or worse, a school shooter. catch yourselves on.
Originally posted by Wolf321
Also, I didn't quite get your point when you said,
what will actually happen is that you'll end up another timmy mcveigh, or worse, a school shooter. catch yourselves on.
Originally posted by pieman
nothing, IMHO would justify it, you live in a functioning democracy so it is not necessary.
what i mean is, even if you were justified, which at the end of the day is just a matter of opinion, if you attempted to start or participate in a violent insurrection you would be labeled as a lone wolf domestic terrorist or worse still, a complete lunatic monster that spent too much time on ATS and watching the matrix.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
This is ultimately OUR fault, for electing people we all know are greedy liars. We expect so little of our leaders that we knowingly support people we virtually all agree do not have our best interests at heart. We still have the power to change this with the mechanisms of the democracy we currently have and you do not cure treason with treason.