reply to post by yeahright
But we all know that the majority of the issues that both candidates propose are very vague and lack much detail. Basically it will be discussion how
they will pay for their plan, where are the details, and try to piece everything together from speeches the candidates give here and there.
Also if a thread is opened up about McCain will we be able to mention Obama to compare their plans even though the thread is only about Obama's plan?
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:11 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
THIS is why we needed PTS, to separate Politics from Conspiracy and general discussion ..
BUT, I am glad to see ATS trying to clamp down on the ultra Democrats and Republicans..
Truth is, I have not been on ATS as much as I normally am because of all the political BS.. it's sickening after a while.
THIS is why we needed PTS, to separate Politics from Conspiracy and general discussion ..
BUT, I am glad to see ATS trying to clamp down on the ultra Democrats and Republicans..
Truth is, I have not been on ATS as much as I normally am because of all the political BS.. it's sickening after a while.
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:12 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Sublime620
SkepticOverlord responded above. The thread violated guidelines because it did not discuss a SINGLE issue, although in my humble opinion, the collection of Obama's proposals, is an ISSUE. It's all in the interpretation, I guess.
SkepticOverlord responded above. The thread violated guidelines because it did not discuss a SINGLE issue, although in my humble opinion, the collection of Obama's proposals, is an ISSUE. It's all in the interpretation, I guess.
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:12 PM by ZindoDoone
reply to post by TheRedneck
I think you hit the issue squarely on its head. Why waste the time and investigation that you might think is an issue that is interesting and informative and have the mods deem in unfit? I'll say it if no one else will. THESE GUIDELINES SUCK, PERIOD!!!
Zindo
I think you hit the issue squarely on its head. Why waste the time and investigation that you might think is an issue that is interesting and informative and have the mods deem in unfit? I'll say it if no one else will. THESE GUIDELINES SUCK, PERIOD!!!
Zindo
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:14 PM by yeahright
reply to post by nyk537
Definitely a lot more difficult to have a reasoned, intelligent policy discussion. And I believe it doesn't happen more frequently here because those with the ability to have that type of discussion get discouraged by the eventual degredation of the thread into a schoolyard scream fest. We see it not only in the political threads, but happens also in the 9/11 threads.
We're committed to get a grasp on it and it won't be turned around over night. But if we can do this consistently and with the cooperation and participation of the members, we will have a place where valid discussions will occur, then more of them will occur.
Hang in there. Let's try to do the right thing and see where it goes.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Definitely a lot more difficult to have a reasoned, intelligent policy discussion. And I believe it doesn't happen more frequently here because those with the ability to have that type of discussion get discouraged by the eventual degredation of the thread into a schoolyard scream fest. We see it not only in the political threads, but happens also in the 9/11 threads.
We're committed to get a grasp on it and it won't be turned around over night. But if we can do this consistently and with the cooperation and participation of the members, we will have a place where valid discussions will occur, then more of them will occur.
Hang in there. Let's try to do the right thing and see where it goes.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:21 PM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by sensfan
My voice may be silenced with the winds of change, always there are those who rule and those who must submit to those who rule, even on forums.
Oh come on.
Don't you think you are being a bit melodramatic?
A call for civility is a far cry from silencing your voice.
Anyone that wants to criticize either candidate will have to do so in an adult fashion.
That means no more patently false threads spawned from chain mail, personal and irrational speculation, disinfo sites, or the good old rumor mill that are designed to simply start a brawl.
Is that really asking to much?
Can some really not wrap their minds around this idea?
If that is the only way anyone knows how to voice thier opinion then yes they should feel threatened by a move that basically asks the members pumping out mess like that to grow up and stop the fighting.
There are other forums (PLENTY of others) that not only allow but welcome such mudslinging gutter-battles and maybe some members will have to go there to vent their insatiable political rage over the democrat and republican running for office till they learn to cool off.
If they are really clever though...they will of course find a way to say what they desire and still not break the new regulation. That requires some thought and planning and maybe more work than some are willing to provide it seems since uselessly griping in futility is the path they are choosing to take.
- Lee
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:24 PM by eye open doors
reply to post by Maxmars
I don't know if flattered is the correct stance, considering the intention of dividing the community and mostly causing chaos. This makes for a poor experience here. I myself find it unlikely to be swayed of my political views, so I rarely share them. Nor do I look at others views.
Truly the whole political thing is a flogged horse on the internet. However facts is facts and I can dig that. So I say nay to the BS.
I don't know if flattered is the correct stance, considering the intention of dividing the community and mostly causing chaos. This makes for a poor experience here. I myself find it unlikely to be swayed of my political views, so I rarely share them. Nor do I look at others views.
Truly the whole political thing is a flogged horse on the internet. However facts is facts and I can dig that. So I say nay to the BS.
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:42 PM by MrPenny
reply to post by sensfan
The difference being then, that the opinion or issue raised comes directly from your mind, via your hands. Presumably.
If you want to review a political book, then review the book as it should be....as the opinion of a non-candidate and not as a factual, truthful examination of a candidates policies. Unless the author has The Shadow-like abilities to discern men's minds.....it's unfair to attribute his opinions and suppositions to another person.
The difference and the concept is, personal involvement and interaction.
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The difference being then, that the opinion or issue raised comes directly from your mind, via your hands. Presumably.
If you want to review a political book, then review the book as it should be....as the opinion of a non-candidate and not as a factual, truthful examination of a candidates policies. Unless the author has The Shadow-like abilities to discern men's minds.....it's unfair to attribute his opinions and suppositions to another person.
The difference and the concept is, personal involvement and interaction.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:51 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by sensfan
You are absolutely correct. Eventually ANY thread that deals with politics will eventually enter the "steady state" of DELETED, unless there are no responses, in which case, there will be a lot of one post threads. I don't think this policy has been thought out very well, but it is their forum, or as we used to say, long ago, when I was a child
"If you don't like my rules, you can't play. It is, after all, MY yard, My bat, and My ball".
LOL!
But by that thinking, if you make a post dealing with an issue, then I respond saying what I think about your post and opinion, anyone posting anything about what I say would be the same thing because it would be a "third party" opinion.
You are absolutely correct. Eventually ANY thread that deals with politics will eventually enter the "steady state" of DELETED, unless there are no responses, in which case, there will be a lot of one post threads. I don't think this policy has been thought out very well, but it is their forum, or as we used to say, long ago, when I was a child
"If you don't like my rules, you can't play. It is, after all, MY yard, My bat, and My ball".
LOL!
reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:57 PM by Maxmars
reply to post by eye open doors
You are, of course, correct. I was making a poor attempt at being funny, and I failed entirely.
But, we do have their attention, and they did see fit to engage this forum. What they thought they might achieve is conjecture at best; but regardless of their intended outcome, I feel it was wrong of them to do it.
Also, I never thought of this community as generally like-minded, as some here appear to intimate. While members here can be very outspoken, I have seen a broad spectrum of ideologies represented. An I missing some trend where only one party gets bashed? Are there numbers to back that up, I wonder? I am an equal opportunity basher, although I rarely even address the tender issues like who insulted whom, or who made an embarrassing flub during an appearance.
Nevertheless, staying away from such exchanges is clearly preferable to trying to 'steer' the thread after the fact. That much is for sure.
You are, of course, correct. I was making a poor attempt at being funny, and I failed entirely.
But, we do have their attention, and they did see fit to engage this forum. What they thought they might achieve is conjecture at best; but regardless of their intended outcome, I feel it was wrong of them to do it.
Also, I never thought of this community as generally like-minded, as some here appear to intimate. While members here can be very outspoken, I have seen a broad spectrum of ideologies represented. An I missing some trend where only one party gets bashed? Are there numbers to back that up, I wonder? I am an equal opportunity basher, although I rarely even address the tender issues like who insulted whom, or who made an embarrassing flub during an appearance.
Nevertheless, staying away from such exchanges is clearly preferable to trying to 'steer' the thread after the fact. That much is for sure.
