What in the HELL does this have to do with the election? I'm sorry, but this nit pick stuff has got to stop.

The ISSUE here is that the republicans have been shouting up and down that Obama is not experienced. OK. Fine. That is an ISSUE.

THEN, the republicans pick and 20 month old governor who has a gun license and likes to fish. WOO HOO. No experience. Let's talk about that and keep some comment that was picked out of millions of comments to smear someone.

So the girl is pregnant. So what?

If we really want to get into politicians thoughts on teen pregnancy, all you have to do is look how McCain VOTED on the issue that would create LEGISLATION that would DIRECTLY impact the lives of pregnant teenagers.

The McCain campaign on Monday did not respond to repeated requests for information.

In Senate votes, McCain has opposed some proposals to pay for teen-pregnancy prevention programs. In 2006, McCain joined fellow Republicans in voting against a Senate Democratic proposal to send $100 million to communities for teen-pregnancy prevention programs that would have included sex education about contraceptives.

In 2005, McCain opposed a Senate Democratic proposal that would have spent tens of millions of dollars to pay for pregnancy prevention programs other than abstinence-only education, including education on emergency contraception such as the morning-after pill. The bill also would have required insurance companies that cover Viagra to also pay for prescription contraception.

McCain voted for the Family Support Act in 1988, which passed overwhelmingly in the Senate and required teen mothers who receive public assistance to remain in high school and, in some cases, to live with their parents.

Obviously you are pro life. I have a question for you though. Lets say a 12 year old girl gets raped and ends up pregnant. Do you think that she should have to have the baby??? Personally, I wouldn't have an abortion.. EVER. But I do not speak for anyone but myself, and I think that certain situations call for certain actions.

One more question, why is everyone duking it out over politics? Shouldn't the country try to come together and make a decision that is best for all Americans and not just certain groups?? I have not decided who I am voting for because honestly, I am very uncomfortable with the fact that this election is turning Democrats and Republicans against each other to the point where I think we all lost focus on the objective at hand. I thought we were all working for a better America?!? Its not about the nominees, its about the people. ALL THE PEOPLE. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, ect. all the same.

Originally posted by intrepid

What slip up? He didn't slip up. The quote was taken out of context by the OP. In other words, not true. What Obama DID say is quite true. Educate the kids so that they aren't burdened by matters that they are incapable of handling.

Intrepid, I strongly disagree that the quote was taken out of context. Here is the relevant portion of the quote:

"...look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

Obama was directly referring to his own children. Obama's the one who brought his OWN children into the discussion.

Obama said that if THEY (his own children) made a mistake (got pregnant) he wouldn't want THEM (his own children) PUNISHED WITH A BABY.

His child's baby would be his grandchild. Obama stated that his own grandchild would be a punishment to his child.

How can you accuse me of taking the quote out of context? Please explain.

Originally posted by yeti101
reply to

do you think its right to force someone to have a child they dont want?

How does one force another person to have a child? I'm not sure I understand your question.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by jamie83]

Originally posted by TruthWithin
What in the HELL does this have to do with the election?

This has a lot to do with the election if you believe that the character of the candidates matters. In 2004, the Dems were dumbfounded to find in their exit polling that a large number of voters picked their candidates at local and national levels based on character.

One candidate does not see human life as sacred if he can even entertain the thought that a baby could in any way be *punishment*.

The other sees human life as a blessing from God.

Which person do you think would weigh sending troops into harms weigh more heavily, one he sees every human as a blessing from God, or one who thinks babies are punishment for mistakes?

Originally posted by jamie83
Intrepid, I strongly disagree that the quote was taken out of context. Here is the relevant portion of the quote:

"...look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

It's only relevent if you're putting words in his mouth as opposed to what he actually said.

He's talking about edcucation so that kids don't have kids, or STD's. He's NOT talking about abortion at all. That is perfectly clear if you read the "irrelevent" parts.

Originally posted by intrepid

He's talking about edcucation so that kids don't have kids, or STD's. He's NOT talking about abortion at all. That is perfectly clear if you read the "irrelevent" parts.

It's only relevent if you're putting words in his mouth as opposed to what he actually said.

Intrepid, I'm really surprised by the weakness of this argument. Your reasoning is usually much more well founded.

Unless you think I have some supernatural powers, I did not put these words in Obama's mouth. Again, here are the words that flowed from his lips...

"...look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

How can you say I put these words in his mouth?

Originally posted by KaginD
Obviously you are pro life. I have a question for you though. Lets say a 12 year old girl gets raped and ends up pregnant. Do you think that she should have to have the baby???

Abortion for rape was already allowed in 16 states before Roe v. Wade and I doubt that the reversal of this ruling would change this view in any of the 50 states. Most conservatives just have an issue with abortion being used as a means of contraception. No one is going to force a 12 year old to carry a baby from a rape. I think that view is as extreme as viewing liberals as people who BBQ babies on the weekend.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Really this is a dumb debate. Can we expect this kind of BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION MINUTIA to continue from Jam, Sos, Jetx etc?

Anything to muddy the waters and distract from the real issue or questions of experience?

For f^&ks sake enough of this ugly crap and irrevelant BS.

This is not a dumb debate at all. We're talking about electing somebody to the office of POTUS. Moral character to many people is more important than being able to hire a staff of paralegals to draft position papers on topics and post them on a web site. Moral character is also more important to many people than the ability to deliver a well-rehearsed speech.

I'm sorry, but I must have missed you jumping into threads about how great Obama's speeches were, telling people, "You know, you're really blowing this speech thing out of proportion... "

And this is a REAL issue. It goes to the core of who the candidate is, and what they value. Gov. Palin obviously values human life as a sacred and supernatural gift from God. I won't put words in Obama's mouth, but from my point of view it would be hard to believe life is sacred if you think of having a baby as punishment.

So yes, this is a relevant and important issue.

Originally posted by jamie83

Originally posted by intrepid

He's talking about edcucation so that kids don't have kids, or STD's. He's NOT talking about abortion at all. That is perfectly clear if you read the "irrelevent" parts.

It's only relevent if you're putting words in his mouth as opposed to what he actually said.

Intrepid, I'm really surprised by the weakness of this argument. Your reasoning is usually much more well founded.

Unless you think I have some supernatural powers, I did not put these words in Obama's mouth. Again, here are the words that flowed from his lips...

"...look, I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."

How can you say I put these words in his mouth?

I'm leaving the quoted part in as it's relevent. You left out the part of my post that explains it.

Originally posted by intrepid

He's talking about edcucation so that kids don't have kids, or STD's. He's NOT talking about abortion at all. That is perfectly clear if you read the "irrelevent" parts.

Or did you deem that 'irrelevent"?