Is it really aliens or just time travel?

If it is "us", then why are "we" abducting people and doing experiments on ourselves? Why are "we" mutilating cows... and why has our appearance changed? You know, skin color, height, eye shape.....

Hi to all of you ToTruthCanHurt.
Well, it'is like a DOOR . The PAST PUSH!! :: THE FUTURE PULL
THE PRESENT IS THE DOOR. OK?? But the PRESENT is just
a fraction of one seconde. Every tic--tak from your gr.father
clock is in the PAST ALLREADY BOY. OUUUFFF!

PS [You write] ''The Spirit seem to be not understood at all
by science. WRONG!!! In USA is full whit a psichicals (remarc
Iput one i and not y--diference ) LABS; and sections in many
univercity for advanced reasearch. Try Mr. Charles T. Tart Ph. D.
plus many others. Deplacement nothing to do whit TIME.


regards chapo

time is a human concept - it isnt a solid entity. The perception of time is a human thing, nature and the universe doesnt work by human ideas - it just exists. (do you follow?)

On page 4--did I was obliged to added ''humain concept''--it smell
if I used ''THE DOOR''--it's a metaphore(do you follow)
if we are not here the Univers will be --the Creator and hes wife
the Nature don't care. Read also between the lines when I write
somethings I don't have your knowleadge in english.



regards chapo

Originally posted by The_Visitor
time is a human concept - it isnt a solid entity. The perception of time is a human thing, nature and the universe doesnt work by human ideas - it just exists. (do you follow?)

its not just a human thing - its a living thing , other creatures that live on this world prepare for winters , prepare for night time , prepare for summers

migration , hibernation , etc etc they know that time exists and make plans accordingly - it may not be to our level of understanding but it is still evident

I am OK whit my colegue--TSPDA,
just the others living things don't speak ABOUT the TIME MACHINE.

Originally posted by acidhead

Originally posted by The_Visitor
time is a human concept - it isnt a solid entity. The perception of time is a human thing, nature and the universe doesnt work by human ideas - it just exists. (do you follow?)

its not just a human thing - its a living thing , other creatures that live on this world prepare for winters , prepare for night time , prepare for summers

migration , hibernation , etc etc they know that time exists and make plans accordingly - it may not be to our level of understanding but it is still evident

erm..sorry i think your associatin " periods " with time..the seasons are periods that denote how the earth tilts thruout the solar calendar - (i use calender - the word to make what im referring too more understandable, im honestly not tryin to make anyone look silly ) therefore again, i feel your model is followin preset opinions learnt from school (im debatin not tryin to seem patronising) - all these things ive quoted you on, are habits.

Time is a word - it just makes the world go round. Now if you was to say, i know what part of the 24 hour cycle it is by seeing the stars/sun then i beleive cycle is a better word - time is only a human concept. - alittle deep i guess but im sure if you think about it your see what im sayin????



To use the revolution of the solar system as a clock is ok - but again its only mans interpritation of the movement of heavenly bodies.

can someone help me here? can anyone see what im tryin to relate here??

all the best.

yeah and what is time - we measure time by our day and night , our seasons and our orbit of the sun. the difference being is that we have divided them up into small chunks , give them fancy names and discovered a way to meausure it

going back 2000 years when we looked at the sun / stars / seasons - what made us different from the animals?

as far as i can tell you are saying that the universe has no concept of time - well the universe isnt alive is it - the rock in my garden has no concept of smell but it doesnt mean things dont give off an aroma

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on another note....

i can kind of see what you are saying - but if that is the case then we can only live in this instant.

since we do not have the power to shift the universe forward in advancement and we may someday get the ability to actually slow our perception of time down (so we travel ahead in time faster than aparant real time) i believe that backwards time travel is a nice little myth.




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It's simple, really -- it's aliens doing time travel

Originally posted by acidhead
yeah and what is time - we measure time by our day and night , our seasons and our orbit of the sun. the difference being is that we have divided them up into small chunks , give them fancy names and discovered a way to meausure it

going back 2000 years when we looked at the sun / stars / seasons - what made us different from the animals?

as far as i can tell you are saying that the universe has no concept of time - well the universe isnt alive is it - the rock in my garden has no concept of smell but it doesnt mean things dont give off an aroma

[edit on 2-9-2004 by acidhead]

Ok... you persist in animals as an analogy - animals sleep at night since they dont hunt at night or feed (some animals live at night "nocturnal" and some dont. When it gets dark - do you think animals say..erm, well its 8 pm must goto bed now? no! other animals more geared for night hunting take over.. a kinda night shift thing.

The universe slant - (you obviously know this already???) the universe started from a minut space - which has been expanding ever since - but we use the "time" word to expalin the vast distance galaxys have travelled in that period. therefore - the universe is expanding - but the time its taken to do this - is measured in a form we understand - "time"
A rock btw is not sentient - therefore its just matter - it doesnt even know its existence. The human brain is quite different from other species on this planet - the only other creatures that have a close association with humans are the primates. - both species can reason so they make sense of their surroundings - but you could also argue so do most insects - but that would be nit pickin i feel.

over to you...

animals sleep at night since they dont hunt at night or feed (some animals live at night "nocturnal" and some dont. When it gets dark - do you think animals say..erm, well its 8 pm must goto bed now? no! other animals more geared for night hunting take over.. a kinda night shift thing.

yup , they dont say its 8pm lets go to bed - but like i have said earlier - animals that migrate, leave a place and go and travel to another place from all over the country at roughly the same time to meet up in another country at roughly the same time. animals gather food for the winter because they know that in "time" it will get colder and food will be scarse.

the universe started from a minut space - which has been expanding ever since - but we use the "time" word to expalin the vast distance galaxys have travelled in that period. therefore - the universe is expanding - but the time its taken to do this - is measured in a form we understand - "time"

we use the term "lightyear" as a measurement of vast distances because it makes more sense than writing down for eg. 123112477787845425298342394829384 killometers

once again i go back in time to early man - when we where starting out on the first civilizations do you think we said "9oclock - time for bed" or do you think we naturally shut off at nighttime to rest just like the animals
as far as im aware mankind hasnt evolved much since the start - all that has happened is that we have found a way to pass information more efficiantly between ourselves



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Originally posted by acidhead
we use the term "lightyear" as a measurement of vast distances because it makes more sense than writing down for eg. 123112477787845425298342394829384 killometers

This is another example of time being equated to distance and speed. You
see, that's all time really is: distance and speed.

Time really only has any revelance when you talk about it in relation to
something else. Mostly we understand this to mean: orbit number X
of the earth around our star at spin number y/24.

When you talk about time travel (as opposed to history) you're
discussing jumping a distance at a faster than normal rate of change.

It is assumed that this is what these UFO's are capable of doing. If you
come from a place that is light years away you are getting here in a
time machine/space craft. (or you really live to a ripe old age and a
1000 year journey is just a weekends journey)

Originally posted by LadyV
If it is "us", then why are "we" abducting people and doing experiments on ourselves? Why are "we" mutilating cows... and why has our appearance changed? You know, skin color, height, eye shape.....

Those are good questions and I think they give reason to believe that
THEY are not us from our future.

The problem most "scientific" people have with accepting that THEY are
from other worlds is the distance/time thing. It's just not possible to
travel that distance in any reasonable amount of time with our current
understanding. And that is where these people fail, for some reason
they just can not accept that we dont' know everything yet.

I don't claim to know where they are from, but I don't rule out the places
that are very far away.

Cheers.

Time travel is impossible. If only for the reason that the energy required to restore the universe back to the state it was in at the time you wish to travel, would be 2X and we only have X to work with.

Well we may as well shut up shop and go home now then, if you think that we know all there is to be known on the subject. Who said that you need a machine to time travel? That piece of meat inside your skull should be able to approximate something similar, not in the sense of physical travel, but as a receiver of... ooh.. lets say tachyons, for the want of a better term. What is coincidence? What is ESP? What is de-ja-vu? What is memory? How much does a thought weigh? Does it contain any mass? Science is quite advanced in it's theories of the brains connection with the Quantum Universe...look it up. Think of all those sub-atomic particles streaming through you, me and everything as we speak, what if some of those particles carried information? If the Universe will eventually reverse and contract into the big crunch, in a way it's already happening, if you remove the tyranny of time and distance, and get down with existence like the Navajo do. So if the universe contracts, will we live our lives again except in reverse? Which may be a more preferable way to go, instead of withering up with old age, we'll all disappear in a joyous orgasm. Time/Space are inseparable, you can't have one with the other, so when the Universe contracts eg:Space ergo Time....it'll make a mockery of the 'you can't go backwards in time' whingers. Maybe you
can't time travel, but no one said time can't time travel, and even if they did, I don't think time would give a s___t.....it never does usually.
BTW re: Cattle mutilations....Do cows light their farts to? Which reminds me, how do we know all these phenomenon are linked to the same root cause? I know there are a lot of people strutting around claiming that they know the truth, but I'm not sold on the proposal. Phennomenon...I love that word, it reminds me of that Muppet song. Doo doo doo doo do phenomena...
yeah yeah I know it's manamana

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Originally posted by LadyV
If it is "us", then why are "we" abducting people and doing experiments on ourselves? Why are "we" mutilating cows... and why has our appearance changed? You know, skin color, height, eye shape.....

I'm just theorizing that these "aliens" may be genetically engineered humans (or a biologically engineered unique lifeform), that travels back in time from a future that may not be as pleasant as we would like to imagine. Their physical appearance may be the product that is required to withstand unknown forces that may accompany a time traveling vehicle. Something catastrophic could be in the works and life as we know it now may be drastically affected, requiring the DNA samples from healthy human specimens that may not be present in that time, in order to preserve the human race. Implantations of tracking devices may be in order so that more samples can be gathered later. Later, you may be asking yourselves? The last sighting we see may in fact be our last. Who knows? I've been told all my life, tomorrow is not guaranteed. The avalilability of good DNA may be scarce, that's why certain individuals are targeted. Everything may be done for a purpose that may lead to the continuation of the human race, in the face of extinction.

About the mutilations? Their diet may consist of parts from these animals that we don't usually consume. We consume the voluntary portions of the animals and they may be required to consume the involuntary portions.

This is just a theory of mine with input from likewise people.

As always, truth is stranger than fiction. Always have been. Always will be.

Over.

Hi to all of you . The discution now look to me like a hockey match.
I find something for every one of you. You know what is ''CRONOVISEUR''?
Eh well it's a ''machine'' to see and heard in the PAST. You dont believe!?
Tryed to find the newspaper ''OGGI''-Italien (#44,29 october 1986,pages
111-112 ) Iam sure you will find .
To be short---The PAST IS LIKE ice(frosen state). Paradox?? No paradox!
Priest ERNETTI + priest GEMELLI+ 10-12 scentifics put that ''machine'' en
function in the 1970 or like.
They capted image and sound of antic tragedy--played in ROME-169 BC
named ''TIESTE'' --from QUINTUS ENNIUS-- losted nowadays.
The dramatic specialists know just 25 fragments--citations from:
PROBIUS, NONIUS andthe big CICERON.
The ''machine'' CRONOVISEUR restavred : image, sound , humain voice
everythings in mode DORIEN--LATIN.
After the big spectacle-(TRENTE- near lake Garde in october 1986)
The VATICAN gived order to stop that machine--VERY DANGEROUS ONE
you understand whay--(politic ,religion, militairy ,commerses ets ets ets !


regards chapo

I forgot Profesor Senkowski translate in german--''bulletin de CETL,
(# 2/1987 ) and in ''magie Madonnen und MIRAKEL''- Rainier Holbe
and Elmar Gruber--Knaur, RTL, ed. 1987 pages229--236

Originally posted by chapo
I forgot Profesor Senkowski translate in german--''bulletin de CETL,
(# 2/1987 ) and in ''magie Madonnen und MIRAKEL''- Rainier Holbe
and Elmar Gruber--Knaur, RTL, ed. 1987 pages229--236

can you provide a " link " to this information?

Text ''Magie Madonnen und Mirakel, Unglaubliche Geschichten aus
Italien - Rainer Holbe Elmar Guber---KNAUR, RTL edition 1987


RTL---------LUXEMBOURG


chapo good luck