Originally posted by jomie-ky
There isn't going to be a rapture. The bible doesn't even say there will be. It says god's kingdom will be here on earth etc, rapture is a lame
idea people invented by trying to make the bible say something it didn't say
I can tell you there will be a catching away ....before the great and dreadful day of the Lord .(read about Elijah and Enoch also what about the
people who rose from their graves when Christ arose (a first in a series of first fruit gatherings ) ..................
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.(These were the firstfruits of the fruit gathering of the
harvest ..(these were the first ones of the first resurection)1Cr 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the first fruits of them
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whither soever he goeth. These
were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
*The 144,000 are also considered the first fruits (they were not in with the firstfruits of Christ Resurection were they ? Notice they are the ones
during the trib that preach the gospel .they are marked to NOT DIE ........
this is some sort of fruit gathering with these 144,000 wouldnt you agree?
(do a search on firstfruits at biblegateway.com is very eye opening) ..... there are more than one first fruits
The bible also says we will not be under his wrath .
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Only the disobedient suffer his wrath
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Ok these are the best ones
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
His wrath does not happen till after 3 1/2 years after the seven years start ..it comes right after the mark actually) ..........I believe though
that the catching away of the faithful bride will occur right as that first half starts (the first 3 1/2 years .........
I can also tell you that there will also be a millinial (cant spell lol) kingdom on earth for 1,000 years ..this is AFTER the SECOND Coming of Christ
About the thousand years here it is .................
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
*He lays hold of the dragon at the end of the 7 years of Jacobs trouble also known as The Time of the Great Tribulation which is for the purpose of
bringing Israel or the Jews back to the Lord ..because they are a bunch of scribes and pharisees (so are most of our preachers and teachers ....
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand
years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
*satan gets shut up with a seal to the bottomless pit...he will not be able to disturb that 1,000 years of Christs rule on this earth ..
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness
of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or
in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
*the rest of the dead here is talking about when ALL THE DEAD are RISEN to JUDGEMENT ..at the Great White Throne Judgement which does not happen till
after the thousand years are finished .....(This is what the Lord considers in the next verse as the second death ) ............
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God
and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
*now notice here he that taketh part in the first resurrection ...the second death hath no power over them ...the second death is after the trib
...after the thousand years...at the Great White Throne Judgement where ALL the dead get their just rewards (weighed in the balances ...a final
judgement of all things ...rewards given etc ...(at least I think thats what its for ) ...
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the
number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
*satan is loosed again after the thousand years then this is when Armegeddon battle happens .the final showdown with Gog and Magog and many many many
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God
out of heaven, and devoured them.
*This time is also considered the great slaughter in Ezek ...
Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the
ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be devoured.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them
to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and ever.
*this is the very last time we shall see that old satan and its all over at the Great White Throne Judgment ......
Next verses about the Great White Throne Judgment ..
LOL sorry for rambling ..I have more to show you (about the rapture)but need a break ..
Hope it makes sense ,dont just believe me please study it for yourself
[edit on 27-8-2008 by Simplynoone]