This will happen one day and Russia will lose badly. Israel will be consuming the fuel in their tanks for 7 years. It's been prophesied in detail in Ezekiel 39.

Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the LORD.

The fire on the coastlands is a successful nuke attack against the US IMHO. No doubt at that time the US will be almost a third world country, mired in an Obama led communist meltdown. We may never recover from the twin disasters of our past economic blunders and the bigger one that may happen under the socialists amongst the radical democrats.

IN war there really are no winners
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usa has never won a war without europe & neither has israel without usa russia has never sucked up to any one for help till this day so called soviet collapse was not just american power but also europe if it went alone face to face with russians america would have got mugged!!! any way its a devils world today but there will an end to it one day

Originally posted by SevenThunders The fire on the coastlands is a successful nuke attack against the US IMHO. No doubt at that time the US will be almost a third world country, mired in an Obama led communist meltdown. We may never recover from the twin disasters of our past economic blunders and the bigger one that may happen under the socialists amongst the radical democrats.

You guys REALLY don't like Obama, do you?

Why don't you like him?

Is it because he shows a little humanity for fellow humans around the globe?

Is it because he wants to change the way America is viewed by the Muslim World?

Is it because he wants to make peace instead of making war all the time?

Or is it simply because he is black?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Israel has shown in several wars that it rendered Russian equipment & tactics virtually useless. Israel excels at conventional tank warfare ( the only way to invade) and has over 6,000 armored vehicles. Also, don't forget F-15's & F-16's spanked top-line MiG's in the early 1980's in the Bekaa Valley campaign. Israeli F-15's shot down over 60 Syrian MiGs without a single loss. I don't think Russia can airlift enough troops/equipment either. It's a non-starter.

yes ... oh wait i mean NO the latest russian made anti tank weaponry is MORE than capable of taking out the latest merkava tanks israel has to offer see LEBANON russia has WAY WAY more tanks and isn't afraid to pull out some of the oldschool tanks see SOUTH OSSETIA and i think the russians have improved there arsenal abit since the 1980's you IDIOT TLR LRN 2 RECENT HISTORY.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Israel has shown in several wars that it rendered Russian equipment & tactics virtually useless. Israel excels at conventional tank warfare ( the only way to invade) and has over 6,000 armored vehicles. Also, don't forget F-15's & F-16's spanked top-line MiG's in the early 1980's in the Bekaa Valley campaign. Israeli F-15's shot down over 60 Syrian MiGs without a single loss. I don't think Russia can airlift enough troops/equipment either. It's a non-starter.

valid point, also, how did the might of the soviet union fare during their war in afghanistan?
i would never write israel off...

and russia hasnt really improved on anything apart from updating old systems....look at the state of their navy as an example, as to what it was.



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Many of you dont realise that if conflict were to come to this level, there would not be the slow and systematic buildup of troops in preparation for a ground offensive........this here what you are talking about is either a win or loose scenario and in that type of game, you are not going to allow your adversary any form of advantage whatsoever if you can help it.

Not only that but the US has set the precedant internationally to pre meditated attacks in the name of self defence, so why should it be any different for any other nation that feels threatened?

Therefore if for whatever reason Russia felt the need to attack Israel, it would do so with enough nukes to turn Israel to a pane of glass, instantly.

Not only that but Russia would be fully prepared for retaliation against itself so I assume the mediterranean sea would have a few russian subs hunting and taking out Israeli subs, aswell as launching a nuke attack against both Europe and the USA aswell simultaneuously as the one against Israel because as an agressor in this case you cannot allow your foes allies to have a chance of retaliating on their behalf.

You have, in effect, a scenario where Russia would be taking on the whole world, well, atleast those capable of imediate retaliation against it, and with a severely weakend Europe, destroyed Israel, and Weakened United States....you will find that Iran would be taking on whats left of Israel, Russia would immediately begin its March west towards Europe and China would begin its attach upon the US.

This is not something to be done by half if one was to consider it, it would be a "all or nothing" excercise"....the dark horse in this whole scenario would be India, even now, we are unsure of where their allegiances lie....they a friendly with both East and West at the moment, trying to play both cards for their own benefit, which in the end may cost them more than they expect.

Just my way of seeing it unfold.

Israel stands no chance against any foe whether it be USA, Russia, or China. FACT.

Israel only fears a strong Middle East. I do not know why, because as it stands right now the Middle East would win even if Israel used it's non-conventional weapons.
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(EDIT) Of course the Mid-East fears the (formerly) United States nuclear and military armament but they do not fear the American people. We as a whole do not want war but we cannot stop it either.