The "Truth" of Billy Meier [HOAX], what they don't want you to know..., page 3
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 04:56 PM by Skipper1975
reply to post by Dklanan


Thanks for sharing his story....i believe him

the truth shall be known soon enough
much love to you all



(^_*)


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 05:38 PM by NightVision
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They hung there dependant from the sky
Like some heavy metal fruit
These saucers are ripe and ready to tilt
Must these pleadians live that I might die
Must they live that I might die

[edit on 12-8-2008 by NightVision]


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 06:25 PM by anti72
reply to post by Spoodily


yeah, the fake alien attack. can you imagine this scenario..
www.abovetopsecret.com...




[edit on 12-8-2008 by anti72]


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 07:28 PM by _Heretic
I think the Billy Meier story is a very complex one. First it came out very early in the movement when there was little to none of the defenses and tactics now known to disclosers with claims such as these. He was ripe for contelpro activity.

I also think his was the first case of UFO disease in which someone who gets this kind of attention, starts to get a little creative to keep the throngs of people wanting more more more attentive and listening to what is underneath a good message.

If "I" didn't want attention or a desire to be observed as above normal, I would not let people, friends or not, come into my home and expand it into a semi commune. The commune info come from Randy Winters so who knows its validity.

we also have to consider the mob mentality that occurred over this in his growing community when there was a lot of discord, and how it can effect the leader, no matter how benevolent they started out to be

If the Pleadians are indeed spiritually evolved and empathic in any way, they have the obligation to protect his family and correct the circumstance he now finds himself in.

The only reason they would abandon him in this way, is if he had abandoned them first, or chose to no longer interact with them. There is clearly SOME hoaxed material. That photo album is a sham so maybe we should suspect randy Winters.

Bottom line for me is this, I dont think some of the ideas in this thread are mutually exclusive. I think some photos could indeed be authentic, as well as many hoaxed as well. Is billy telling the truth, well...maybe not all the time, and maybe not as much as some give him credit for.

I dont think we have a open and shut case here, unless it is something you need to have open or shut, then that is your business and not mine. I dont see a black and white situation here, I see alot of grey (no pun intended)

I think we have witnessed a contactee go wrong to the point he got abandoned by his contact. His fault? I dunno maybe they just picked the wrong guy for their mission

One thing I find interesting is the spiritual side of the whole Pleadian contacts. This is a way of being that has been mirrored by many many unrelated people over decades. So if there is some huge conspiracy in which unrelated people from different times, in different places in the world, before the internet, can relate a near identical ideology to try and foll us all into believing one mans story....

then we have a much bigger conspiracy to investigate and stop picking on poor old Billy. I got all my stuff on him, and George Green for free...nada so he didn't make a dime off me


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 09:53 PM by derekcbart
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Hello.

Water Ice on Mars was recently scientifically confirmed. That's it. However, it has been theorized as a possibility for a lot longer than 32 years. Giovanni Schiaparelli first discussed martian channels/canals in 1877, and the Martian Polar Ice Caps have been observed since the 1700s, so Meier discussing there being water on Mars in the 1970s is no big deal no matter how many press releases Michael Horn decides to put out. As far as the other astronomical "predictions" of Meier, well, those have already been addressed in this report.

I think the biggest thing to damage the claims of Meier over the years has been the invention of the Internet. When he began making his claims in the 1970s I don't think he ever thought that anyone would ever notice that his pictures of Asket were really of Michelle DellaFave from the Dean Martin Variety Show, or that his pictures of dinosaurs would be from an illustration by Zdenek Burian, or that the materials that had been used to manufacture his Beamships or Rayguns would be discovered by members of ATS.

I think this is the reason that he concentrates almost solely on the "spiritual teachings" nowadays. Pretty much all of his hard evidence has been refuted due to the Internet.

-Derek


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 10:15 PM by derekcbart
Hello.

I just realized that after posting my previous response that I had never published online my research into the Asket photos so some of you may not be aware of what I was discussing.

Here is Part 1:

Asket

In the 1983 book, UFO…Contact From The Pleiades Volume II, this photo is presented:


The caption for this photo reads, “This photograph has erroneously been reported by others as a picture of Semjase. This confusion began in 1975 when the first articles on the case were written by lesser informed individuals and has continued to this day. There are in fact no photographs of the Pleiadian cosmonaut Semjase. This is a photograph of Asket, a cosmonaut from the Dal Universe who first had contact with Meier in India in 1964 and helped him prepare for the Pleiadian contacts that would occur eleven years later.”

In the 1991 book, …und sie fliegen doch! (…and yet they fly! – German publication), this photo is reprinted (in better quality) with the caption, “DAL – Universum im Strahlschiff von Asket (DAL – Universe in the beamship of Asket)”:


Along with the reprinted picture of Asket there is this other picture that is identified as being of Asket and Nera:


Now, here is the problem with these photos. The person identified as Asket is actually the singer and dancer Michelle DellaFave. Michelle was a longtime member of the “Golddiggers” and the “Dingaling Sisters” who appeared on the Dean Martin Variety Show from 1969-1973. Michelle still performs to this day and her CD releases and performance schedule can be found at The Golddiggers Super Site.

Michelle first became aware that Billy Meier had published photographs of her as being his extra-terrestrial contact “Asket” in early 2007. Michelle wrote to me and said that “Nera” was actually Susan Lund. Susan appeared on the Dean Martin Variety Show from 1968-1973. This is what Michelle has to say on the situation:

“I know that the picture of myself and Susie is from the Dean Martin show when the Golddiggers were guests on the show. I think it is about 1971 and I did wear my hair with little curls at the side of my face. It amazes me that he chose that picture. I guess it was when they did the reruns in Europe. I do not want anyone thinking I am causing any problems. I am simply stating the truth involved with these pictures. I just know a picture of myself when I see one, as anyone else would. I know it is from a segment when The Golddiggers would sit around Dean Martin and sing beautiful ballads called ‘Welcome To My World.’”

Michelle also sent the following image that appears to be from the same episode:


You will notice that Michelle and Susan are wearing the same outfits as shown in the Meier photograph of “Asket” and “Nera.”

[edit on 12-8-2008 by derekcbart]


reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 10:18 PM by derekcbart
Here is Part 2:

Starting in 2001 with the English publication of And yet… they fly! these same photos had new explanations for them. Billy Meier writes, “Unfortunately, during my conversation with Ptaah he revealed that the two women depicted on the photos are not Asket and Nera from the DAL Universe, but two American look-alikes. These photos are malicious hoaxes and were switched upon the order of and in collaboration with the ‘Men in Black.’” Now, why the change of explanation in 2001? It seems to be rather simple. In the 1990s videotapes of “The Best of the Dean Martin Variety Show” started to be released by Guthy-Renker Productions

I asked one of the original investigators, Lee Elders, about the publication of UFO…Contact From The Pleiades Volume II. Here is what he had to say:

“[Billy] supplied the material that was analyzed. I have letters from him stating that he was thrilled with the presentation. We gave him a couple hundred books at his request. I still have the letters saying he and the Pleiadians were happy the book had been done. In fact, the publication was mentioned in the original contact notes.”

So, for at least 18 years, from 1983 to 2001, these photographs of “Asket” and “Nera” were promoted and published, multiple times, as being his Plejaran extra-terrestrial contacts, but then in 2001 these same photos were now being described as “malicious hoaxes” and the only thing that changed was that the apparently original source material, The Dean Martin Variety Show, started to be released on home video.
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