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God (the *real* Divine presence in the Universe) help us if something really happens and we need to organize our efforts and forces together, I will surely not team up with any one of you - I guarantee it.

Why? Because all of you are pathetic! Just look at yourself, pull back and re-frame because this thread is a perfect example. It takes nothing to polarize the situation but a sketchy subject and two sides automatically surface and we have a conflict.

How are we going to achieve anything when we can't agree on the facts. Allow me to lay them down to you...

None of you really *know* for a fact anything about Billy Meier. Neither the so-called debunkers, image experts, and others supporters who "expertly" debunk subjects over and over again without having *any* personal first hand knowledge whatsoever; nor the blind believers who wish for some Utopian dream to come true because of lack of courage to deal with issues in their own lives (although possibly both groups have issues, some kind of hunger for attention or importance, lack of own direction, or something totally different...who cares anyways).

Both draw conclusions from "evidence" they have not collected first hand/personally, or experienced it/have intimate knowledge of. *Knowledge* of, remember that word, because it's not belief, faith, or thinking but KNOWLEDGE - big difference.

Oh, and both sides can take your "open mindedness" and shove it up where the Sun does not shine, respectively.

I am sorry but I will NOT subscribe to this consensus reality you are constantly creating, over and over again. Keep it for yourself. I am not even interested in the excuses you will make to justify (read: perpetuate) need for its existence (of the aforementioned consensus reality).

It saddens me even more that you are cramming it down the throat of everyone else on Terra. Heck, why stop there, it is *your* fault, collectively that things are like this on Terra, not Billy Meier's or Pleiadians.

Only when all of you who do not "know" but *think* you do are gone, will there be a change happening in the consensus reality projected on Terra because the influence of your distortion will disappear, and finally those who are there and then will be able to KNOW once again after a long long time of unknowing and illusion.

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Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by lee anoma
Those are actually the same background from the looks of it, not two different ones. It is the same background at different times of the day photograghed in different positions. Look carefully, because to me the backgrounds are similar.

Well, even if that were the case, then what about the saucer? Did it take hours to fly around the tree, or did it just come back hours later to do it? Either way, it's just doesn't make any sense.

Whole other topic entirely.

I was arguing that the background is the same not the pictures were of authentic UFO's. I have no idea why if they were real they would fly around that tree. Maybe if they were real and this was a meeting spot between Meier and these aliens then they would surely come to that spot more than once. If they were real that is.

I personally don't believe they are at all.

I think Meier is a faker...and he milked his fame before the cow died.
Surprisingly there seem to be some that want to resurrect that cow.

I'm not one of them.

- Lee

Originally posted by amigo
(RANT ON)

God (the *real* Divine presence in the Universe) help us if something really happens and we need to organize our efforts and forces together, I will surely not team up with any one of you - I guarantee it.

Why? Because all of you are pathetic! Just look at yourself, pull back and re-frame because this thread is a perfect example. It takes nothing to polarize the situation but a sketchy subject and two sides automatically surface and we have a conflict.

How are we going to achieve anything when we can't agree on the facts. Allow me to lay them down to you...

None of you really *know* for a fact anything about Billy Meier. Neither the so-called debunkers, image experts, and others supporters who "expertly" debunk subjects over and over again without having *any* personal first hand knowledge whatsoever; nor the blind believers who wish for some Utopian dream to come true because of lack of courage to deal with issues in their own lives (although possibly both groups have issues, some kind of hunger for attention or importance, lack of own direction, or something totally different...who cares anyways).

Both draw conclusions from "evidence" they have not collected first hand/personally, or experienced it/have intimate knowledge of. *Knowledge* of, remember that word, because it's not belief, faith, or thinking but KNOWLEDGE - big difference.

Oh, and both sides can take your "open mindedness" and shove it up where the Sun does not shine, respectively.

I am sorry but I will NOT subscribe to this consensus reality you are constantly creating, over and over again. Keep it for yourself. I am not even interested in the excuses you will make to justify (read: perpetuate) need for its existence (of the aforementioned consensus reality).

It saddens me even more that you are cramming it down the throat of everyone else on Terra. Heck, why stop there, it is *your* fault, collectively that things are like this on Terra, not Billy Meier's or Pleiadians.

Only when all of you who do not "know" but *think* you do are gone, will there be a change happening in the consensus reality projected on Terra because the influence of your distortion will disappear, and finally those who are there and then will be able to KNOW once again after a long long time of unknowing and illusion.

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MY my

I really do think your motive and message are pure, but WHOOOSH...

such PASSION !!

but tsk tsk tsk

Anger is a momentary Madness, and no one listens to madmen my friend

there are no truths being chased here, only beliefs.

truth is relative ...

truth is the factory that creates belief

I can understand the situation endured by Bily Meier, I have seen it down here in Brazil. Smear campaign is what they do... Nevertheless, soon the real truth will come out and these guys will be exposed somehow..

It seems that if Billy was initially telling the truth, he would likely have been threatened, as many others in his situation have claimed. The idea of fake photos being used to discredit him makes sense too.
The "Golddiggers" one would be a good example. Send out fake pics that are sure to be discovered. If Billy wanted to fake his own, I'm sure he could have used someone less famous.
As for not "admitting" it until after the year 2000, would you talk about it immediately if your family was threatened?

It seems that still people are quick to call him a hoax based on the fake photographs. But the real question is, do the fake photos prove Billy is a liar, or do they prove how easily a genuine ET encounter can be made to look like a hoax?

IMHO, I believe the OP is telling the truth.

The thing about the Billy Meier case is the fact that an enormous amount of money has been spent to monitor and surround him. This can't be emphasized enough. If he was just a fraud or some kind of new age ufology "kook" who would have authorized the cost of his continued survelliance? "They" have taken it very seriously and so I continue to look a this case with interest. The only other explanation that I've ever come up with is that, considering his very interesting and seemingly connected history, this entire thing is an illuminati hoax with the pretense of getting the idealists behind massive depopulation. This could be true of the whole GFL thing too.
But regarding that, I have some feelings that continue to come. Yet, all the predictions made by the likes of Alex Collier have not come to pass. Though I'm still fascinated with his testimony, I really get torn between his authenticity and whether he is cia disinformation.

George Green's book is very interesting. (I think someone informed me in a post here on ATS that he was ex-cia or something, therefore one has to view it all with caution). However, the connection I suddenly felt with the GF people was in answer to a great deal of prayer, meditation and concern for our world, the greys/reptilian cooperation with our Shadow Governments, and hence very bad things being planned for the populations with very little ability to fight back and re-establish our freedoms and human rights. My wish for the entire world to live like the Scandinavian countries in peace and equality and civilization, as they are the only truly civilized countries on earth, is fading fast. When I awoke with a strong sense of check-mate, and a force for the good was arriving or here, I took it with a grain of salt. But then, that day, read an incredible thread by someone giving his life story on another forum and George Green's book. Somewhere in his book the message was relayed to him that: (I will paraphrase) there was a group (I presumed the greys) who had infiltrated the governments technology enough to make it defective, and abort the worst nwo plans. They then would step in as our saviors, but there plan would still be massive control and not make us happy in the end.
But, (and this was just like my prayers and meditations) when a group interferes with a planet in such a way as to affect the free will of its citizens, then non-interference is null and void and any other race may intervene for the good.

In his entire book, that was the very most important part of it to me. Along with us actually vividly visualizing/praying/meditating a new end to the play, a different reality to nwo. Naturally I extend the Scandinavia everywhere, living in peace and harmony. I can picture it without money even. Sort of like the way open source software has transformed computing, with everyone contributing everything they can to the world and taking what they need, with groups showing all who are interested in various technologies, arts, crafts. With the roof-raising groups from Bali, being the norm, and no one being homeless. For love to be the standard of civilization. I hope everyone puts out good stuff for our earth in their minds all the time too.