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posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by dalan.
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Did you know that Emperor Constantine used your "Holy" Bible as a form of manipulation against Europe?

Did you know that Emperor Constantine formed the council of Nicaea?

Did you know that within the council of Nicaea a bunch of Romans decided to unite all of Christendom by putting together the first Bible?

Did you know that only those present got to choose what went into the Bible?

Did you know that for hundreds of years afterward the Holy Roman Empire ruled western Europe by manipulating people with the "Holy" Bible?

Did you know that later on King James removed a few of the books from the previous Bible created by Constantine and then dubbed his version the "authorized" version?

Did you know that 90% of the Christians in today's world are too stupid to investigate the history of their own religion?

Did you know that Emperor Constantine and all the members of the council of Nicaea are probably laughing at modern Christians for their ignorance?

Did you know any of these things??

Probably not....
That's absurd tripe, stop watching movies or reading fictional books to determine actual history.




The Da Vinci Code Claims that the four Gospels were selected by Constantine from eighty others. Brown writes: 'Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned' (p. 317). Or again: 'More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion' (p. 313).

The Da Vinci Code Claims that the four Gospels were selected by Constantine from eighty others. Brown writes: 'Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned' (p. 317). Or again: 'More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion' (p. 313).

This is wrong. Many early Christian texts written well before Constantine's time say that there are and can be only four authoritative Gospels. Irenaeus, who died in around AD200, over a century before Constantine's reign, writes this in his great work Against the Heresies:

"It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world [...] it is fitting that she should have four pillars [...]. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, [...] who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit." (III. xi. 8; Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1:428)


Emperor Constantine - Did he remove books from the Bible?




posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 02:17 AM
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who cares what she says.

if any one chooses to change there own beleifs based on what one idiot has to say then what more can you say ?

they will be the same person who will fall into the traps set by NWO



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by MandM
 


That's absurd tripe, stop watching movies or reading fictional books to determine actual history.


Its true, who do you think composed the various gospels into one book???? the bible???

do you think some fellows wearing loin cloths put it together???


you can't change the truth... IT just is...

A real test of your faith would be to walk the fire and learn as much as you can...
if your faith survives it is real! My faith was not strong,,, be wise and walk the fire now...

heres some fire

www.zeitgeistmovie.com...

You decide what it means to you?? Real faith is like stone!



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 02:25 AM
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first i will say that if you can not beleive in christ then how can you beleive in something some one has wrtten 1500-2000 years after the death of him?

a little snippet for you,

Eusebius, who was easily the most notorious documentary revisionist of his time, thoughtfully complied. We do not know which books of the hundreds available that he supplied the emperor, nor how much he revised them (since many are not known from texts earlier than Eusebius), but we do know that Eusebius realized that it was only a matter of time before the "inspired oracles" as he called them, would have to be gathered together for Christians to study in common worldwide in the form of a scriptural library, a bible. We also know that Eusebius was deeply worried about the contradictions they contained and the political dynamite that could ensue should those contradictions become a matter of dispute among the masses, or, far worse, in the mind of the Emperor. We do know that Eusebius did, in fact, make extensive modifications of the works he was concerned about, as we have a few earlier texts with which to compare some of his work. As correlation and standardization were the orders of the day (under the less-than-gentle hand of the Council of Nicea), Eusebius could clearly see a very Imperial problem was brewing, and was determined to head it off if he could. Eusebius' revisionism is particularly unfortunate for modern scholars, in that the only versions we have of many early Christian documents are ones known to have passed through his scrutiny.

Everyone had their list of favorite books and letters; the various factions, with headquarters in Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Caesaria, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Carthage all had their own ideas as to what was or should be scripture. And they certainly didn't agree, in spite of the heavy hand of the Council of Nicea. Eventually, after the split with Rome, the compilation of Eusebius was to become the standard bible of the Eastern church. No doubt on his mind was the docetic heresy of the Marcionites, still a thorn in the side of the Roman as well as Eastern churches. The strongly anti-docetic message of the four gospels favored by Iraneus no doubt played a role in their inclusion.

for me the bible is just a guide. Many other gospels and scripture are available for reading on the net. Only the most important parts were put into the bible, yes there were many problems when the bible was put together but it is a guide to the christian faith like i said. There is a lot more to it.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 02:42 AM
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Do you realise how annoying it is when you begin nigh on every sentence with do you realise.
Value diversity my friend, its whats different about us that makes us all the same.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 03:06 AM
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Fantastic! I wish her all the luck in the world!

The myth of the bible and christianity is the biggst and most damaging conspiracies in human history.

There is no evidence to substantiate it's ridiculous claims. And I wish Oprah all the best.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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good for her. its about time someone with power started trying to open the minds of the people of this country.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 03:56 AM
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And so the big response:
...So?



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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No, I did not know Oprah said those things. Does she same them on her show? In her magazine?

Frankly, I don't care what she thinks about religion, as long as she isn't shoving her views down my throat constantly. Maybe she does, and I just haven't been paying attention.

And is Oprah the kind of person one would go to for religious advice? Does she have that much influence over people's spiritual beliefs?

What is the point of this post?

As a proud atheist, I don't care what Oprah thinks about any religion or prophet. As long as she isn't advocating violence or hatred toward any group of people she can say and think whatever she wants.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 04:41 AM
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Other people believe many diffent things.
Your opinion or beleif system may or may not be correct.
With some points you have I would agree, some points I would not.
Also a TV moderator promoting certain views may not beleive whats being televised, sure it makes them shallow, but not the person who came up with the whole idea.

So then if you believe that her false beliefs will send her to hell, then try and save her if you can't then ignore her, please do not complain to us about it.

Your relationship to God is between you and He.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 04:46 AM
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Oprah Winfrey is trying to use her celebrity status as a religious hammer that will destroy Biblical Christianity and redefine it into something else forever.


The media has been subverting the west for more than a century. Where have you been all the time?


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey does not believe that Jesus came to die on the cross?


So what?


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no need for salvation?


Is there such a need?


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no heaven?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no hell?


Maybe that's because heaven and hell don't exist?


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that she is God, you are God, and "the light" is God?


In a way, she is correct here.


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that the Bible is not any more important than a whole bunch of other "religious" books?


Actually, the bible is one of the least important religious books out there. The (Hindu) Bhagavad Gîtâ and the (Asatru) Edda's are far more important.


Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that abortion is a good thing?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that homosexuality is wonderful, and that those who say homosexuality is sin are those who are evil?


I'm not surprised that she does. It's typical liberal subversion.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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i agree to almost everything what Oprah Winfrey says, except that homosexuality is wonderful (cause its brain disorder, nothing wonderful at all) and about abortions. rest of it - totally fine new age (not medieval-like) thinking. go go go Oprah Winfrey!



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 05:01 AM
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She is merely part of the mass mind programming effort in order to prepare us for project greenstar (blue beam). It's been going on for years, but it is starting to get a little more noticeable now what with the all the UFO coverage worldwide and Edgar Mitchell's recent statement.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by MandM
 


Did you know that Emperor Constantine used your "Holy" Bible as a form of manipulation against Europe?

Did you know that Emperor Constantine formed the council of Nicaea?

Did you know that within the council of Nicaea a bunch of Romans decided to unite all of Christendom by putting together the first Bible?

Did you know that only those present got to choose what went into the Bible?

Did you know that for hundreds of years afterward the Holy Roman Empire ruled western Europe by manipulating people with the "Holy" Bible?

Did you know that later on King James removed a few of the books from the previous Bible created by Constantine and then dubbed his version the "authorized" version?

Did you know that 90% of the Christians in today's world are too stupid to investigate the history of their own religion?

Did you know that Emperor Constantine and all the members of the council of Nicaea are probably laughing at modern Christians for their ignorance?

Did you know any of these things??

Probably not....
That's absurd tripe, stop watching movies or reading fictional books to determine actual history.




The Da Vinci Code Claims that the four Gospels were selected by Constantine from eighty others. Brown writes: 'Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned' (p. 317). Or again: 'More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion' (p. 313).

The Da Vinci Code Claims that the four Gospels were selected by Constantine from eighty others. Brown writes: 'Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned' (p. 317). Or again: 'More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament, and yet only a relative few were chosen for inclusion' (p. 313).

This is wrong. Many early Christian texts written well before Constantine's time say that there are and can be only four authoritative Gospels. Irenaeus, who died in around AD200, over a century before Constantine's reign, writes this in his great work Against the Heresies:

"It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world [...] it is fitting that she should have four pillars [...]. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, [...] who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit." (III. xi. 8; Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1:428)


Emperor Constantine - Did he remove books from the Bible?


Actually it is true - sorry -

Christianity was still a cult ridiculed by Romans - the division in the city threatened the future of the Empire - Constantine called for a single religion in an attempt to sure up the Empire -

The Church subsequently amassed vast wealth by offering forgiveness of sins through financial contributions, entrance into heaven and the right to remain there for massive contributions.

This nefarious practice allowed the Church to become the most powerful entity on earth - to this day - the basis of which relied on convincing people of the dangers of heaven, hell and that only obeying the will of the Church (aka "God" - ) and making huge financial sacrifices and contributions could the wrath of hell be avoided.

Not a bad plan - and one that anyone who believes is gullible in the extreme.

The Church, is absolutely a construct of man - so is god and Jesus.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by MandM
It is absolutely true.

Oprah Winfrey is trying to use her celebrity status as a religious hammer that will destroy Biblical Christianity and redefine it into something else forever.

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey does not believe that Jesus came to die on the cross?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no need for salvation?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no heaven?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that there is no hell?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that she is God, you are God, and "the light" is God?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that the Bible is not any more important than a whole bunch of other "religious" books?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that abortion is a good thing?

Do you realize that Oprah Winfrey is teaching that homosexuality is wonderful, and that those who say homosexuality is sin are those who are evil?


These all sound like perfectly reasonable and highly commendable points of view. Well done Oprah.



I love the idea that we are all God(s) and avatars like Jesus et all are simply a metaphor for the personal development and betterment we can all partake in - you are your own personal Jesus.


The days of out-dated patriarchal fear-based religions are numbered. Get yourself out of religious infancy and experience the world through your own eyes.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 06:00 AM
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Well said.
Guns don't kill people, religious concepts kill people.
Amen Z.

From: Unified Atheist League
BCC: Judean Peoples Front

[edit on 8/4/2008 by schrodingers dog] religious concepts kill peopleFrom: Unified Atheist League

I love that reminds me of a joke i herd
List 3 things you hate
Racists
Hypocrites
Jews


I personally believe that it is a good thing that opera is telling the world these things.

The blind sheep will always follow what they are told but some people who truly want to find a faith and a idea that is right and logical will continue to search and this would fuel there conviction.

maybe when she said this things just maybe a few people woke up and started to want to know more to know if her words holds any truth to them.

It is a good thing to have controversy and questions on maters of politics and religion.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 06:49 AM
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Go Oprah! Religion is the bane of our existence.



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 06:52 AM
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Oprah Winfrey Is Openly Trying To Destroy Biblical Christianity


And? what is the point of this post?

MandM, do you honestly beleive that your post is read entirely by christians.

Please Please understand that there are more non christians in the world than there are christians.

Your post sounds like chicken little, and most people dont give a # about the demise of christanity.

Hooray for oprah keep it up !



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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It's B.S.

The Bible existed a century before Constantine was born.

Helloooooo McFly.

Da Vinci Code is fiction.





Dan Brown’s fictional best seller, The Da Vinci Code, sat at the top of the best seller’s list for weeks. Goddess worshippers and Christian haters around the globe have not only given it rave reviews, but offer it up as proof that Christianity is a lie. You might be wondering how a fiction novel can have such an impact. It can because Brown makes the claim that the book is based on fact. In bold letters in the front of the book Brown alerts the reader that what they are about to read, while being a fictional story, is based on historical fact. Many have argued that we shouldn’t be so concerned about a work of fiction, and in one sense they are right. If people knew their history, their Bibles, and studied their own religion thoroughly, we wouldn’t need to be concerned about this book. However, many of the numerous factual errors and boldface lies in Brown’s books won’t be obvious to the general public.


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