reply to post by Styki
If you take one thing from this with you take this. We went to some of those meetings in the town hall (government center) and these Iraqis aren't
talking about the reasons for the invasion. People are focused on everyday life. I talked with the Iraqi Army soldiers whom I worked with and they
were vary worried about this next election. We (the US soldiers) know the Iraqi army is not strong enough yet and they know it too. Before I left I
told them that I would pray for them. I don't know how they are doing today but I hope for the best.
KIA totals as of August 4, 2008 US 4,132; UK 176; Others 138; Coalition Total 4,446. icasualties.org...
No acknowledgment of Iraqi dead.
Between 78,000 and 300,000 from various sources and for various causes. But in any case these dead folks are dismissed as "collateral damage" over
I am not much for prayer Mr S. I don’t see GOD as being present there or here. Voltaire said it right: “GOD is on the side of the largest
” An astute observation. I just do not know how GOD can help our side KILL their side. I think GOD must be asleep. See "With God on
Our Side," a song by Bob Dylan, released on his 1964 album The Times They Are A-Changin'. en.wikipedia.org...
Hear it at www.youtube.com...
All soldiers of every army are subjected to very well thought out mental gymnastics to make white look black and black look white. The US DoD has
dozens of highly paid psychologists on staff to make up a scenario that can be sold to American GIs based on the historical American culture.
Sometimes labeled as propaganda especially when done by our opponents. More likely called “information dissemination” when we do it. Or BS in
Despite the risks we as a nation run in producing a half million automatons, they are useful. Rule No. 1 in the military of all nations is:
all lawful orders. I assure you, obey comes first, and deciding what was lawful comes as an afterthought if at all. A lawful order is any
order given by a higher ranking person to a lower ranking person. Face it, it cannot be any other way. A military that does not follow orders from its
superior officers is not an army; it is a mob wearing the same color clothes. There is NO Rule No. 2. See Note 1.
Support the troops. Our political leaders wrap themselves in the flag! Who said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of fools and knaves?” I attribute
it to Howard Zinn. Whoever it was, he or she was a keen observer. See Note 2. It is quite difficult to oppose a war and yet, to also support the
selfsame people who are waging the war at the same time.
To urge the mindless "support" of any war is in reality a deftly calculated distraction, a diversionary tactic used by the leaders of a country who
have taken their people into an unpopular war or a failed or failing military adventure. I have labeled America’s March 18, 2003 preemptive strike
against Iraq the Second Punitive Expedition to Iraq. That war must surely have violated the United Nations Charter forbidding wars of aggression.
420,000 US servicemen gave their lives in World War 2 to establish the UN. Launching this War rendered their service and sacrifice to have been done
in vain. The British famously used punitive expeditions during the halcyon days of empire. Iraq reminds me of one such as was portrayed in the famous
movie Gunga Din
. See Note 3.
Young men are chosen to wage war. Not old men. Why? Because young men have few of life experiences on which to form judgments. Young men do not have
the same perception of personal danger older men develop. Young men tend not to be so much risk averse as older men. Young men will bond more easily
with other young men similarity situated. Emotionally and intellectually immature, they can be more easily formed than older men.
Lest you think I’m anti-military, I am not. But I almost always oppose the way our Government employs our military. I opposed our excursion to
Granada. I opposed our invasion of Panama and our illegal detention of Manuel Antonio Noriega in the basement of a Federal building in Miami since
1990. The US has claimed extra-territorial jurisdiction. It appears more likely he angered his CIA handlers and he serves as a living example to other
Heads of State not to make that blunder. We can reach out anywhere!
Personal. I have more than 6 years service in the Army National Guard and the active duty Air Force, plus 4 years in the AF Reserve (inactive). I was
a volunteer at the time of a draft. I had a choice. 2 years as an Army infantryman or 2 years in the MC 99% sure to be in an infantry battalion. I
could have enlisted for 3 years in the Army or MC and picked my branch from those available. Exigency of the service always dictates your assignment.
But I chose the 4 years of AF service (over the Navy) where I could still wage war on behalf of my country, but sleep on clean sheets at night. And
ride in a truck instead of carrying a 60 pound pack on my back for 20 miles. A ground pounder!
I have no experience with women at war. Personally, I would not want to serve with women at or near the front line. Or in close support as we in the
AF call it. But I was after all raised by people who were themselves raised by people who were alive and well along with Queen Victoria. I am no doubt
influenced by their concepts. I do have 3 grand-nieces who keep me in some not always understandable contact with the younger generations. I am well
past the “keep them barefoot and pregnant” exploitive attitude but there is a quantum leap for me from equal pay for equal work to carrying ammo
for a woman on point! A leap I have not yet made. As I admitted elsewhere, but for SpellCheck I could not write Millennium Generation.
Note 1. General Orders for Sentries. Order No. 6. To
, and pass on the sentry who relieves me, all orders
commanding officer, officer of the day, and officers and noncommissioned officers of the guard only.
Note 2. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. [Samuel Johnson] www.eden-study.org...
Note 3. Gunga Din (1892) is one of Rudyard Kipling's most famous poems, perhaps best known for its often-quoted last line, "You're a better man
than I am, Gunga Din!"
The poem is a rhyming narrative from the point of view of a British soldier, about a native water-bearer who saves the
soldier's life but dies himself. Like several Kipling poems, it celebrates the virtues of a non-European while revealing the racism of a colonial
infantryman who views such people as being of a "lower order." The poem inspired a 1939 adventure film from RKO Radio Pictures starring Cary Grant,
Douglas Fairbanks Jr., and Sam Jaffe in the title role. en.wikipedia.org...
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