posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 11:05 AM
Just to clarify: Do you mean that having Obama or McCain in the White House is going to make no difference at all? That it doesn't matter which one
is in there, our country is going to follow a preset path? Because if that's what you're saying, you could be completely right. I think you
very well might be right. But, to me at least, this has not been conclusively proven.
Certainly, we have been lied to.
Certainly there is mass corruption in government.
Certainly, we have been through the most corrupt and dishonest, greedy and miserable presidency of our time and maybe all time.
And there are indications and evidence that what you say is true.
And yet, I am not convinced that the cycle won't be broken or at least slowed down and begun to turn around if Obama takes the presidency. Maybe
it's false hope on my part. Maybe wishful thinking. Maybe I'm naive. But I don't think it's fair or right to judge ALL political leaders based on
what George Bush and others have done.
And what is the effective alternative?
I don't think we can know what will happen until it happens. I don't think we can judge Obama as the same slime as Dick Cheney without proof. I
can't. I won't. I believe he deserves a chance to prove to us if he's full of it or not. His platform is change. And if that's what we want (and I
do) I think he deserves a chance to try to effect that change.
He could very well be worse than them all! He is a politician at the Senate level. He is a politician in Chicago. But can I, and should I, use that
circumstantial evidence to make an open-and-shut judgment against him? I don't think so. I don't expect 100% honesty and integrity from him because
I don't believe in the world we live in, that he could have made it to where he is without "playing the game". Ron Paul couldn't.
Ron Paul is our best chance of breaking the downward spiral, for sure, but the GOP would never permit him to lead their party OR become president. So,
where do we find ourselves?
You know, people are going to do what they do, because, like you, they don't think we have a viable choice in the 2 parties. So they will either not
vote, or vote for Ron Paul, who, even if he had the most votes, the GOP, by hook or by crook, would never permit him to be president, or some 3rd
party or vote for themselves.
So, then what? Everyone on ATS, everyone who is "aware" either doesn't vote or throws their vote to someone else. Then, either Obama or McCain wins
and life goes on.
I KNOW what you're saying about the Bi-partisan situation. But what do we do? What are you doing? How DO we get the country back? The way I see it is
we either vote for the person we have the most faith in, and HOPE that he will do something good, or we protest by not voting or voting for someone
who is not running.
What good does that do? What is the end result? John McCain wins the election for another 8 war-mongering years of Cheney/Rove?
A lot of people here shout about how we're being fooled by the political system (and it's likely true). Ok, then. What DO we do? Stop participating
so we're not in their way? They would be thrilled if we all stayed home or wrote in Ron Paul. That way, our vote doesn't count to place someone in
the position and they don't have to worry about us. So maybe it doesn't count anyway. But maybe it does.
What am I missing? I'm a smart person. Why am I not convinced, like the rest of you, that a vote for Obama is the same as voting for Bush, or Cheney
or McCain? Is it because I still have hope? Is it because I believe in giving a person a chance to prove himself? Is it because I am naive?
Thanks for any input on this. I'm struggling with it.