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Republicans concede: Lifting Moratorium = Pointless

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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
And yes, you're right, george bush (verbatim) did not say it wont lower the price of the gas.

He just said "it wont produce a single barrel" and that "it'll only chnage the psychology"


This is the actual quote:

"I readily concede it won't produce a barrel of oil tomorrow, but it will reverse the psychology," Bush told a White House news conference.

Tomorrow. Kinda forgot that bit, didn't you?

Everyone knows that drilling today isn't going to do anything tomorrow, or even next year. It will take time. I'd rather start the drilling now, then wait a few more years and depend more on foreign oil.

Life isn't like a mircrowave. You can't get things done in 15 seconds.




posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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and what is 2 years compared to 7?


Not that i have ANY faith in nancy pelosi (i hate that woman)

But how can you say its the democrats fault? They havent had enough time to fix the 5 years worth of problems that accumulated in their years before their election.

Don't spew ignorance in attempts to explain greed. It just wont' work around here.

The numbers are they - its just republicans refuse to discuss them because they know it makes them look bad.


not to mention that even before the democrats had power in 2006, Record gas prices were already being shove up the hind-quarters of all american citizens


So stop blaming those not responsible.

George H W Bush imposed the moratorium

so if the moratorium is the problem of current gas prices, its his fault


George W. Bush has had 7 years to do something about rising gas prices and has done nothing up until the end

so if "stagnation" has caused high gas prices, then its his fault.


Dont blame the ignorance of bush on a democratic congress who has been in office less than two full years.

[edit on 7/15/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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You forgot this link, how the Bush dynasty and the Saud house dynasty goes hand in hand.

Bush Sr. hold on off shore drilling was to help his friends the Saud to get hold on oil dependency.

But hey people in America is so blind and numb that they don't take the time to research why we are in mess we are now with two Presidents from the same dynasty.


Unger spells out the most blatant links between Saudi companies and the Bush family. In the years that George Bush Sr. was Vice President and President (1981-1993), Unger calculates that $1.5 trillion made its way from the Saudis to the "House of Bush" and its allied companies and institutions. No wonder Unger dubs George W. Bush "The Arabian Candidate."


The bush family has been very, very good to the rich oil Saud family, and vice versa, but their dirty money is not limited to Republicans only.


The more acute Saudi royals realized that to keep their power they needed friends in the U.S. establishment. At the same time, they had millions of dollars that could not just be lavished on luxuries - who needs two $5 billion palaces? The dollars received from the U.S. could be spent back in the U.S. on buying armaments and investing in companies and organizations which put money into the pockets of political "friends" (both Democrat and Republican).


www.socialistalternative.org...

Bush the Saviour wanting to save America with lifting offshore drilling is nothing more than a joke and a slap on the hard working Americans.

I am no a socialist so this is a disclaimer I just found the site interesting and the information eduational.



[edit on 15-7-2008 by marg6043]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:21 PM
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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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BTW the link and story on my post is in references to a book that became a bestseller.

House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties
Craig Unger
Scribner



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:23 PM
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Easy, biscuit. Get a washcloth with some cool water and put it on your forehead. You're getting all fired up and it's bad for you.

I was just saying that the Dems were writing some checks that their ass couldn't cash. You want to blame Bush/Republicans, fine. Just throw the Dems in the heap, too. They aren't doing anything.

Yep, the Dems have been in control for only two years, but what have they done in that time? Have they even STARTED anything?

Nope.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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The money go around in Washington is so good that no political rat is exempt.

Be Republican or Democrat.


That is why nothing is done in favor of the American people, because they are to busy satisfying their masters and their big investors, we are nothing than peons.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
If we drill on our own coasts. How will it lower the cost of gasoline?
Give me your assessment, and in your words, not someone else's.


I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll take it on. Supply and demand tells us that if there is more oil available, then the cost will go down. You can argue that the current prices aren't based on supply and demand and I wouldn't disagree. However, the "psychology" that Bush spoke of is 100% accurate. When our oil suppliers see us lift the bans and start drilling they'll realize that we've reached our breaking point and the costs will go down to try to convince us to keep buying.

What I really like about the idea is what drilling will do to our economy. We are sending billions of dollars a day overseas for oil. If we start drilling here at home, a portion of that money can stay within the country to drive our economy and create jobs.

Finally, if we don't drill it...somebody else is going to. We already have other countries just off of our borders drilling horizontally and stealing our oil. The oil is going to be drilled regardless so it only makes sense that WE use it and drive our economy rather than let it be stolen right out from under us.


Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
He just said "it wont produce a single barrel"


Very nice use of selective quoting. I've seen you point the finger at others for selective quoting...and now you're doing it too. You forgot to include the last word of the sentence "TOMORROW". We all know that it's going to take years for the oil to actually reach the market. However, we all knew that 10 years ago too and if we had pushed on we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now.


Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
So you can believe what Rush tells you if you want.


I know this wasn't originally directed at me, but just to preempt your response, I don't listen to rush. I also don't watch fox news.


Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Bush just admitted it. It wont do anything.


Please add the word "tomorrow" to the end of this statement so it's not an obvious lie. It will have a long term effect. I really don't understand why people can't think of the future anymore. Not just on a government level, but even on a personal level, we need to rediscover the foresight that our grandparents had. It's not just about today and now...it's about 20 years from now when my kids are in the workforce.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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Good post. I completely forgot the "jobs" angle to doing more drilling here.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65


Life isn't like a mircrowave. You can't get things done in 15 seconds.



Then why propose that lifting the moratorium would have immediate impact on gasoline prices?



Oh, and as bush clearly points out, he's had "years" to work with democratic congress who has been in power less than 2 complete years


"For years, my administration has been calling on Congress to expand domestic oil production," Bush said during his Rose Garden announcement. "Unfortunately, Democrats on Capitol Hill have rejected virtually every proposal - and now Americans are paying at the pump."

Bush's decision to lift the ban imposed by his father on drilling in the outer continental sheft leaves only a congressional prohibition in place. He called on lawmakers to remove it forthwith.

"The only thing standing between the American people and these vast oil resources is action from the U.S. Congress," he said. "Now the ball is squarely in Congress' court. Democratic leaders can show that they have finally heard the frustrations of the American people by matching the action I've taken today, repealing the congressional ban, and passing legislation to facilitate responsible offshore exploration."
Source

Bush is the cause.
McCain is the future?


Do yourself a favor, and draw pictures on the ballot over mccains name, then vote for anyone else you choose.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:32 PM
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posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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Supply and demand has nothing to do with it when the oil companies are already setting on un-refined oil.

please go re-read This post and the two supporting posts with it.

It has nothign to do with supply and demand.


Lifting the moratorium will make things better in the future: Fact (and i agree)

WE need solutions today.

George Bush has had 7 years. If the moratorium was a bad thing 7 years ago, like it is today - why has Bush done nothing?

John McCain supported the moratorium being put into place back in 1990 and now supports its abolishment in 2008. Umm....really?


Seriously though - go read the posts. They have sources and are not just "Garbage" that says "MCCAIN IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!111!!!one!!!!"



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Then why propose that lifting the moratorium would have immediate impact on gasoline prices?


And where does it say that in the source? I don't think anyone believes that would happen.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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I'm so sick of people saying "calm down". When I put less food on my table due to the high price of gas, I have every damn effing right to get mad.

Ignorant is the person who thinks the price of oil doesn't effect most of Americans, and spewing what talking heads like Rush and Bush say makes no sense!



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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Really? I've been telling people to calm down over oil prices? Last thing I said was for good ol' Andrew to take a chill pill, because he was getting himself worked up into a fine lather and was getting a bit huffy in his posts to people. And I'm "ill-mannered".


I know it sucks. It sucks for me, too. You just have to deal with it. Unless you want to start robbing gas stations for fuel, there isn't much people can do.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:41 PM
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High School graduates...forget about going to college...it will be years before you see any results.

Saving for retirement? Why? It will takes years before you see any results.

Automakers...why improve CAFE standards? Don't you know that will take years before we see the results.





It's amazing that alot of people can't grasp the simple law of supply and demand.

Miss Pelosi thanks you!

[edit on 15-7-2008 by RRconservative]



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
George Bush has had 7 years. If the moratorium was a bad thing 7 years ago, like it is today - why has Bush done nothing?


That's a good question. I can maybe see why it made sense 10 years ago to sit on our oil because it was cheap to buy it abroad and save ours for a rainy day. Now, the rainy day is here and it's looking like a pretty poor decision, wouldn't you agree? We can't change the past, but we can change the future.


Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
John McCain supported the moratorium being put into place back in 1990 and now supports its abolishment in 2008. Umm....really?


Apparently so. Hindsight is always 2020, perhaps his error in judgement is starting to come into focus.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65
reply to post by Cowgirlstraitup7
 


I know it sucks. It sucks for me, too. You just have to deal with it. Unless you want to start robbing gas stations for fuel, there isn't much people can do.



You are so right fine sir, EXCEPT to get flaming mad. Which I am. Eventually when enough people get mad enough maybe we can organize this discombobulated country into actually standing up for ourselves.

I am on board for any local demonstration against the PTB. But since my cash is limited I can't travel to the bigger demos.



posted on Jul, 15 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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While I agree that we most think about the future I am sad to bring this information to you.

In American the corporate barons has been able to get away with the government giving them the rights to visas to give away jobs to foreigners to come to the US and work for them.

They do not care if you grandchildren 20 years for now will be out of college and with need for a job, they rather bring a Pakistani or Hindu to take your grandchildren jobs.

That is the reality in American, cheap labor.

At the rate that goes on if the drilling is lifted I bet that the jobs will be in the hands of foreigners.

At the rates that workers visa are given in this nation every year.

More proposed immigration bills to allow more foreigners with work visas

www.numbersusa.com...

H-1B Visas: Harming American Workers

www.fairus.org...

I am afraid that the future of our grandchildren is in the hands of the fat big dirty rats in Washington

In America is harder to be an American born thanks to our corporate ruled government.




[edit on 15-7-2008 by marg6043]




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