So I just submitted my second anonomyous (sp) post. First off, I want to state that I have never met a brother Mason who I was not honored to have their aquantaince. I do not want to belive that there is evil in our organization, but I do not want to be misled and lied to either. I have never witnessed any of the satanic accusations that have been discused. Every account on here about Masonry is spot on and is drilled into our heads at every meeting. We are charitable, we recognize our fraility, and strive to leave the world in a better place than we found it. That is what the true meaning of Masonry means to me. And that fits with how I see my place in life.

However, all of the satanic accusations refer to the highest, honorary degree in Masonry, which I have not experienced. I know several 33rd degree Masons but do not have the heart or cahonnies to approach them about this. I dont want my peers to think that I am crazy or a rumor monger, but I have been studying this "illuminati" conspiracy for over 10 years.

The connection to this "illuminati", masonic partnership is quite coincedntial. I do not believe in coincidences. Every thing happens because of some actions that led to the outcome, I belive.

As Masons, we will never hear of any of this dark stuff because, 1) its not true or 2) it is reserved for the "top" of the pyramid, the elite or the select few that are "worthy". It fits nicely to me that all the horrible things mankind has done to itself is the result of the top doing whatever it takes to preserve their status. Basically, the constant manipulation of truth, to preserve status, show worthiness by instigating mass blood sacrifice, all through fear based control.

Is it mearly a coincidence that everything we see and hear is about something we should be fearful of? The war on terror, big brother servailence society, the communist scare, racisim, salem witchhunts, the crusades, these are just a few that come to mind. Its always the same scenario, we need to kill to be safe, or to preserve our way of life or our way of doing things. What rational person would rather die then work out differences? Is anything so absolute that one must die to convince the other. I maybe over simplifying things, but this is the sense I have made of the crazy world we live in and how it got to be so.

I invite any and all discussion, I hope I am not derailing the thread, but have been moved to speak up. I even just registered. Thought I never would because this site always seems to put me in a bad headspace, with all the crazy ideas that I read about. I think I just called a kettel black.

Good luck and God bless.

Thanks for not posting my reply yesterday about white Masons not accepting their African-American counterparts, and there being nothing "brotherly" "square" or "level' about that. I'm sure you felt my reply was "racist" or "inciteful"---although it is the truth. Thanks for running an open an honest post. Seems you have no trouble posting the replies that condone and enable Masonry and it's falsehoods and fallacies. But, dare let someone speak the truth---and it gets buried along with all the other truths revealed throughout the years. Wow, what are you afraid of?

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Masons (white) do not recognize their African-American counterparts. They consider Prince Hall Freemasonry as "clandestine", and "illegal". They claim to be such benevolent and charitable fellows, but yet, as many whites have and still do, they refuse to recognize all man-kind on an equal footing. There is certainly nothing "square", or "level" about that.

Yes. I find this racial exclusivity theme of Freemasonry to be at odds with its apparent ideals.

Originally posted by Matrix1111
Would the York Rite former officer who just answered my question reveal the secrets of Masonry? Wouldn't that be violating his secrecy oath?

I don't see why it would, no.

And what do you mean don't trust a fringe group? I don't understand. So you're implying this masonic templar degree is the authentic lineage of the Templars and only they know its true history and anyone else who claims knowledge/lineage of Templars are not trustworthy? I'm confused.

Understandable. You wrote:

I've taken the tour at the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, VA. It has a Templar chapel on the 4th floor (nearly top floor) with stainglass windows depicting the crucifixion with the infamous skull.

Well, as I mentioned, if it was in THAT building, then it was in a York Rite room, not one of dozens of other groups who call themselves Templars. So if you want to ask about that skull in that room, a former officer of the York Rite should be able to answer your question. But there are dozens of groups calling themselves Templars (of which I only know of two which are recognized by regular Masonry... the Scottish & York Rites) J. Random Blogger calling himself the Grand Poobah of Bob's Templars 'R Us or something can have skulls out the wazoo, and I'm sure he'd be able to give you an entirely different reason for their use.

I thought it was said that Knights Templar degree in just a homage to the ideals of Templars.

It is. Which is why any number of people are free to call themselves Templars. So if you're asking a general "why do Templars use the skull" you're probably going to get a different answer from each group. If you're asking "why was there a stained glass skull in the George Washington" then the answer provided by a York Rite member should suffice that instance.

Originally posted by Matrix1111

Would the York Rite former officer who just answered my question reveal the secrets of Masonry? Wouldn't that be violating his secrecy oath?

What I revealed to you is not a secret just the truth. It seems my words were wasted. I have no doubt that you will conteniue to chase atfer stranger and stranger Ideals. All I can say is to read my signature.

I really hate to post in this thread as a Mod, it has been going very well.
So I'm asking politely, can we get back to the topic of the thread and not each other personally before the thread gets derailed.

Thank you kindly,Sauron.
Forum Moderator.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
In the Illuminati videos they show a two old pictures, one is of our most famous Mason, George Washington sitting in a peculier position similar to a popular picture of Baphomet. You will not find this photo on google, just checked. What is disturbing is this photo, err photo of a painting of George with his apron and jewel on, sitting in the EXACT same position, hand, and arm position of Baphomet. I have seen claims that this is the highest secret in Masonry. It is rumered that this is the big secret exposed in the 33rd degree, the honorary degree to which few ever witness. Thus the satanic accusations.

The thing here is that the picture of Baphomet you're referring to was created by Eliphas Levi, a student of Alchemy. The position of Baphomet and Washington are similar because both were created by alchemists, alluding to the alchemical and hermetic symbolism of "as above, so below".

The actual photos have nothing to do with each other, per se, except they both express the same alchemical ideal.