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As from your answer about who is a Mason I gather that most of them are public servants of some kind. Is that correct? I know you're going to tell me Freemasonry accepts people of all Creed, Race and Religion because that is the correct legal answer. We don't have to debate that point. What I am asking you is this. Look around yourself, the majority of you are public servants, correct? This is not a trick question. I want you to answer this truthfully if you can.

a reply to: KyoZero

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

Well, if you have a different omnipotent creator of all, then I guess I fully understand your confusion. You might be a Satanist. Or worse yet, a Luciferian.

I just concern myself with the God that made all that I see. You should repent and come out of the darkness. Worshiping balphomet is not a good way to go. Cloven hoofs, barnyard smell. It's just not for me.

Seriously, why do religious nut jobs feel the need to slam masonry when it's painfully obvious they know nothing about it, other than what they learned from their equally nutty leaders? Do they not let you folks research the factual side of things?

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener
Look around yourself, the majority of you are public servants, correct? This is not a trick question. I want you to answer this truthfully if you can.

The majority of the members of my lodge are not in public service and I am in the largest lodge in New Jersey.

Your telling me no Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, cops, education, Music industry, clergy, military, farmers, bankers, brokers and politicians and that your lodge is full of people who do not or have not performed any community services. WOW no sense of duty there, is there? No wonder this country is falling apart. Where is the sense of duty in Freemasonry gone?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener
Your telling me no Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, cops, education, Music industry, clergy, military, farmers, bankers, brokers and politicians and that your lodge is full of people who do not or have not performed any community services. WOW no sense of duty there, is there? No wonder this country is falling apart. Where is the sense of duty in Freemasonry gone?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Are you serious???

You asked if a MAJORITY of the Masons in our respective lodges were public service

I back Augustus in saying while there are a few, no, the majority is not in public service. By saying Governors to Garbage men, it is implied that all classes, rich, poor and all in the middle are welcome. It didn't mean that we are all public servants

We have all manner of workers and retired in this lodge at least. So to suggest the mass majority is public service is incorrect. It's only a slice of the pie

Now I would like to ask a truthful question of you

What is it you want me to say? And don't tell me 'truth' as I have told it. What big whammy of a secret are you hoping we will 'slip up' with and say? Because I hate to tell you, there isn't a big whammy of a secret to tell. Are you expecting us to say we infiltrate from the ground up and run this country? What is it you are hoping to hear? Because at this point it is becoming increasingly clear there is an agenda you desire to push

Personally I don't have a problem with you or your friends. You seem like nice salesman. I love to be sold especially when the salesman is truthful, honest and fun. I just ain't buying that the Masons are not promoting duty to country. I find it has a very low quality of TRUTH. No argument intended but you did ask for me to tell the TRUTH. If this is how it's become since my Grandfathers and all their Fathers day I am shocked to hear it. We have the same problem in our business today no one cares about duty, honor and patriotism.

a reply to: KyoZero

Old sport, I have no earthly leader nor do I run in any pack and I definitely do not belong to any earthly religion of commerce. There is not one mark or tattoo on my body. Nor do I worship jeZeus (XES=666). You got the wrong guy. So tell me again how does your Omnipotent God condone lying. I just love that story. Though you are correct I do not know the Depths of the Craft of Freemasonry.

a reply to: network dude

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener

I hear he doesn't like it. And neither would you grandfathers. See, I know what they learned. You do not. Sure, you could if you had an open mind, but none of that matters. When I have to answer for what I have done, the words I wrote to you will not be among the things I recant.

Believe whatever fantastical stories you like. Here, in the real world, things are a bit more mundane and logical. No blood sacrifices, no murders, no concern over blood types. Just brotherly love, compassion, and charity.

I believe many organisations or groups have "Bad apples"
This does mean the whole apple tree is corrupt and indeed I believe the majority are well intentioned

Are you sure about that? Oh I know that at some point they have to know who the boss is. That is why the A- fled because he was a divergent. But in the process he learned some things that must have unsettled him to the point of leaving the state and his family. When they got him back he was a demon infested sad man and he knew what he had done. He never really knew how to get back into any form of peace. He could never really see his attackers with their fiery darts and stingers. He never knew how to recover from the mistake he made.

Now the other grandfather from birth was not welcome in Heaven because he was a Grigori. So he used all of the gifts of XES to coast through his life and he performed his service to XES. He appeared to be a pious man but he had 2 families and kept those lies from his families all his life. So it appeared he made out better but I am sure this will not be the case in the end.

The blood sacrifices are planed yet the hour, the day, and the month of the appointed time has not yet arrived. But we know it will and Gog and Magog will present themselves just as they did in Nazi Germany. We can say it is YHWH's will but that doesn't mean the TRUMPET will not be blown for the deceived. But make no mistake about it you will perform your duties for your master unless you are Divergent and if so you don't really belong there to begin with.

a reply to: network dude

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener

Your telling me no Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, cops, education, Music industry, clergy, military, farmers, bankers, brokers and politicians and that your lodge is full of people who do not or have not performed any community services. WOW no sense of duty there, is there? No wonder this country is falling apart. Where is the sense of duty in Freemasonry gone?

'Community service' is not the equivalent of 'public servants', public servants by definition are government employees.

All the members of my lodge are involved in community service either via our support of local soup kitchens, veteran's homes, homeless shelters, etcetera.

And again, while there are a few politicians and police officers in my lodge they are vastly outnumbered by other occupations. If I had to put a occupational tag on the most active group I would say it is funeral directors.

I'd say funeral directors are public servants, wouldn't you? In fact there are many others I could have listed that are regulated by the Government which could easily fall into the Biblical Public Servant category. There is a quality of TRUTH in your post. Thank you for that AugustusMasonicus I really appreciate it. It restores my confidence that the Masons still may use that as a recruiting tool. You see you have to know the market you are pulling from. For example pacifists don't usually enlist or even vote and I would think they would be sort of a pariyah in Freemasonry. Don't you think? Do you recruit pacifists at all?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener

I'd say funeral directors are public servants, wouldn't you?

No, they are private practicing individuals.

public servant

n.
A person who holds a government position by election or appointment. Source

It restores my confidence that the Masons still may use that as a recruiting tool. You see you have to know the market you are pulling from.

Just so you are aware, no one recruited me, I asked for a petition from someone who was a Mason and got a second signature from another in what would be my current lodge.

For example pacifists don't usually enlist or even vote and I would think they would be sort of a pariyah in Freemasonry. Don't you think? Do you recruit pacifists at all?

We do not recruit anyone in New Jersey, it is considered un-Masonic and you can be expelled for recruiting. Additionally, I have no idea what the majority of the members in my lodge hold as their political views are we do not discuss politics when assembled.

I said Biblical definition. I'm not using a politically correct label but I think you know what I mean. Let's hope someone is regulating them and it is a service to the public which takes a person who is not disgusted with blood and gore. I doubt very seriously you could find many people willing to do that job who were A or B negative. That is a hands down an O blood type job if there ever was one.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener
As for the eating of animals, I said I knew others who didn't kill animals.

As to me, I am a hunter.



As to my blood type I will not say, but your descriptors do not apply to me.

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener
Well, I'm a veteran, but I'm currently unemployed and I just finished with my Bachelors degree.

I can tell you all that because it's the truth. In my Lodge, there are students, electricians, veterans, lawyers, doctors, paramedics, engineers, ranchers, small business owners (of all types), IT specialists, graphic designers, painters, plumbers, music producers, musicians, aviators, military, and I could go on.

Look around yourself, the majority of you are public servants, correct?

No.

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener
Public servant is defined as "a government official or employee." Community service and volunteering does not make a public servant.

Yes I would like to understand what makes a person kill. Is there any pleasure you receive from it? When you kill the animal do you clean it? Would you kill a human being? I believe you are RH+ can you at least confirm that?

a reply to: KSigMason

Okay I see we just have different understandings of what a public servant is. Which is fine. Can I ask you though when you were in the military were you trained to kill? And if I may ask did you have to dispatch anyone?


a reply to: KSigMason

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener
I don't do it for pleasure. I do it to eat.

I gut it, clean it, and butcher it myself.

Would you kill a human being?

To save my or someone else's life.

I believe you are RH+ can you at least confirm that?

Yes.

a reply to: TheoFieldsGardener
My knowledge of what a public servant comes from being raised by a cop, having served in the military myself, and a strong understanding of the English language (this sounds meaner than I mean it).

Can I ask you though when you were in the military were you trained to kill?

Well, yeah. It's the military.

And if I may ask did you have to dispatch anyone?

Not my particular specialty.

originally posted by: TheoFieldsGardener

I said Biblical definition. I'm not using a politically correct label but I think you know what I mean.

You can define people's jobs anyway you want but when I read what other people write I tend to use the dictionary definition of words they post as this is grammatically correct which has nothing to do with politically correct.

Let's hope someone is regulating them and it is a service to the public which takes a person who is not disgusted with blood and gore.

Funeral directors must pass a very rigorous test to become licensed and certified so they are quite heavily regulated. Additionally I think someone who is 'disgusted with blood' would probably opt for a career path that does not involve it.

I doubt very seriously you could find many people willing to do that job who were A or B negative. That is a hands down an O blood type job if there ever was one.

I would think their blood type would be irrelevant to their career path.