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Originally posted by LLoyd45
I can't wait to see the Democrats attack a war hero's citizenship because he was born in Panama, to two American citizens, while his father was serving his country. That should lose them a lot of votes!
Originally posted by DaleGribble
as much as i like argueing with you im not gonna keep going in the same circles over and over. i made a claim and was proven wrong.
it still dosent change the fact that congress using their right under the 14 amendment declaired that mccain is a valid candidate. time for you to accept when you are wrong..
I'd say most people would consider him a hero with a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals to his credit..
Originally posted by kleverone
War Hero? I'm sorry you lost me there? So because he was tortured by the enemy he is a hero?
"No", I didn't. Did you go to the Obama school of patriotism where you learn to criticize men who have actually served and sacrificed for their fellow countrymen?
Did you go to the George Bush school of Patriotism?
It's called service to your country in my book. If a man is unwilling to fight in his country's defense, he has no right to call himself a man in my opinion. My family has a long history of military service that I'm very proud of.
In my book, war and hero hardly go into the same sentence. Maybe I have a different definiton of hero than you. He was in another country trying to force democracy down it's throat. Sound familiar? It's called making a choice and suffering the consequences of your actions.
I only use the term when I feel it's merited. His actions permitted you to sit at your keyboard, and speak badly of a man who fought for your right to disagree with him and his country. So I guess the answer to your question is "Yes"..
I think you hand out the term Hero too liberally. Did he somehow improve the state of the world through his actions that I am unaware of?
Originally posted by DaleGribble
i just want to make this clear i am no mccain supporter. the only reason i will vote for his is to vote aginst obama.
i do however support the dicissons that congress makes. its their job. we appointed these people to make these choices and well that means im gonna stick with them.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
"No", I didn't. Did you go to the Obama school of patriotism where you learn to criticize men who have actually served and sacrificed for their fellow countrymen?
It's called service to your country in my book. If a man is unwilling to fight in his country's defense, he has no right to call himself a man in my opinion. My family has a long history of military service that I'm very proud of.
Despite being tortured and starved throughout his imprisonment, Day refused to give his captors any information that might harm his fellow soldiers.
Originally posted by DaleGribble
The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization
source en.wikipedia.org...
sadly congress does not share your oppinion.
NATURALIZED CITIZEN - One who, being born an alien, has lawfully become a citizen of the United States Under the constitution and laws.
He has all the rights of a natural born citizen, except that of being eligible as president or vice-president of the United States.
The Fourteenth Amendment mentions two types of citizenship: citizenship by birth and citizenship by law (naturalized citizens): "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Originally posted by LLoyd45
I'd say most people would consider him a hero with a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals to his credit..
Did you go to the Obama school of patriotism where you learn to criticize men who have actually served and sacrificed for their fellow countrymen?
It's called service to your country in my book. If a man is unwilling to fight in his country's defense, he has no right to call himself a man in my opinion. My family has a long history of military service that I'm very proud of.
I only use the term when I feel it's merited. His actions permitted you to sit at your keyboard, and speak badly of a man who fought for your right to disagree with him and his country. So I guess the answer to your question is "Yes"..
Five years of his life for one thing. Can you tell what Barack Obama has sacrificed for his alleged fellow Americans? He won't even show respect for the flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance without media arm-twisting..
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Allow me to simplify my question: What has John McCain sacrified besides his dignity?
There are certainly many kinds of heroes, John McCain happens to be the patriotic kind.
So you are saying that anyone who doesnt sumbit themselves to military service is not a "man" and is not a "hero" ? A hero is someone who gets looked up to for accomplishments that made better the lives of atleast one other human being.
Every man who served under him,
Tell me. Who's lives are better, besides CEO's on Enron and Bear Stearns, as a consequence of John McCains actions?
He fought, so you didn't have to. I think any Vietnam vet will tell you they did a lot more than throw stones at them Andrew.
American Citizens? What did he do for us? "fight for freedom" Against whom? What were the vietkong going to do to us? Throw rocks?
I'm not a McCain supporter, but I think that's enough by anyone's standards.
so your only "meritable" trait for "mccain the hero" was that he served in the military?
I don't care one way or the other, but I think you won't hear a peep out of Obama about it, or any other Democrat for that matter.
....ok
still doesnt make him eligible for POTUS
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
This is about McCains "allged" hero status.