Originally posted by LLoyd45
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I wonder why Obama is remaining so silent on the matter? Could he be afraid someone might demand to see his BC and his passport records if he speaks out?
Maybe we have two imposters that aren't qualified to be President now.. It's Bush's third term by default!
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by DaleGribble
Because the Constitution says for a person to be president, they have to be a NATURAL-BORN Citizen. A NB citizen is someone who was born IN the US. Not Panama or a US base abroad.
The United States Constitution does not define the term "natural born citizen"; however, it does confer on Congress the power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization
"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights." Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C., a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.
However, it should be noted that the law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born.
Change rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
Q: Should we change our Constitution to allow men like Mel Martinez, born in Cuba, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, to stand here some night as candidates for president?
HUNTER: We haven't seen his endorsement yet. That's a no.
GILMORE: No, I want to amend this Constitution in a variety of different ways, and this would be not a good start to do it that way.
McCAIN: He and I have many similar attributes, so I have to seriously consider it.
Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401. There is some debate over whether persons who were born US citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under U.S. law should also be considered citizens "by birth," or whether they should all be considered to be "naturalized." There is also some debate over whether there is a meaningful legal distinction between citizens "at birth" and citizens "by birth" since U.S. law makes no such distinction, nor does the Fourteenth Amendment use the term "at birth." Current U.S. statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth." One side of the argument interprets the Constitution as meaning that a person either is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen. According to this view, in order to be a "natural born citizen," a person must be born in the United States; otherwise, he is a citizen "by law" and is therefore "naturalized." Current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." However, this does not affect those who are born abroad to U.S. citizens and who otherwise meet the qualifications for citizenship at birth.
Originally posted by DaleGribble
he was born on a us military base by american parents.
us military bases are us soil. he may have or at least used to have a dual citzenship.
go cry your non-sence some where else..
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."
When was anything proven Andrew? Neformore bunch the thread all up where it's practically indecipherable.. That's not proof of anything except maybe bias, and the state registrar made no such confirmation. You're suffering from a case of wishful thinking. If they screwed up on McCain being a natural born citizen, then it's also feasible Barack slipped through the cracks as well.
Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
When Barry-o's certicate is brought up - we are able to define, undeniably, that his birth was, legally, to merit him citizenship.
it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt
then the argument shifted to the validity of his birthcertificate
proven, with only a shadow of a doubt
im making the "educated guess" here that this whole "obama has a faked birth certificate" was actually just a shaky argument started by McCains internet squad in order to pull attention away from the geezer himself.
You've lost me big guy.. I'm not a Mod.
My how the tides have turned
If you werent a mod, and i was...a....mod....
i'd give you an applause for every response in this thread
"Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment.
Originally posted by DaleGribble
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin
no im right because i say im right.