reply to post by ManInAsia
But even if we had peer-reviewed radar experts sifting through this and other radar data to come to some conclusion about these objects, would it
really make a difference? These objects are all unknown radar tracks of objects with no transponder (or at least no transponder activated at the
time). Therefore there is no reliable way to determine what these objects are, who they belong to, and why they are there (as I said in an earlier
This isn't really rocket science here.
The anomalous nature of the objects' movements, speed changes, etc.. proves that these objects are one of a few logical possibilties..
1-a direct result of an actual object displaying those characteristics (with technology far surpassing any we possess). In other words.. a UFO.
2-they are completely conventional, completely normal man-made aircaft and the oddities in this radar data are not even related to the movements of
the aircraft but, rather, "glitches" in the data.
3-The unknown radar tracks are being caused by some kind of OTHER phenomenon, perhaps some kind of naturally caused phenomenon. (which we would never
be able to know/verify anyway).
Even if some peer-reviewed team came in, analyzed all the data, and came to an educated conclusion based on that data, it is going to be a guess just
depending on what is in the data itself.. There is NO logical way to accurately guess what an object is, why it is there, or who it belongs to just
by watching it's movements alone.. And since the transponders of these objects were off (or non-existent) then no kind of speculation or guessing is
going to conclusively prove what the objects are.. In other words, there isn't enough information to produce an answer with any level of certainty...
HOWEVER, we still haven't seen all the pieces of the puzzle here..
The military radar data that was requested from all of these installations but supposedly doesn't exist (per the FOIA requests in the last few pages
of the MUFON report) is important for a few reasons.. The military initially lied about their aircraft being in the area on the night in questin. WE
KNOW that was a lie (the radar data from the FAA proves this lie). The military then responded in the FOIA requests that the data tapes had ALL been
written over. But from ALL military facilities in this area and all aircraft in this area?? HIGHLY UNLIKELY (probably another lie).. And the fact
that they weren't willing to release ANY information whatsoever in response to the MUFON FOIA requests in itself is compelling. Rather, they all
released the same, dull, repetitive responses.. When they could have simply gave a valid explanation for while they were being so secretive.. Oh I
don't know.. "It's a matter of national security and we aren't at liberty to release this information" for example..
Even if the radar data does confirm an object at that location, the trasnponder is off, therefore it is again going to show up as an unknown..
However, if the actual data of the objects (their speed changes for example) were to somehow be confirmed with this other outside military source, it
would rule out some kind of natural phenomenon confusing the radar (at least in theory). So, if the military DID release radar data with similar
objects and very closely gauged speed changes, etc.. It would be proof of an object actuallY being there performing those maneuvers in mid-flight
(which isn't possible with our technology)..
Therefore perhaps the military refused to cooperate with the MUFON FOIA requests because they knew that if they DID cooperate, their radar data could
be used against them in correlation with the alreading cooperating FAA (which did promptly reply to the FOIA requests) to conclusively prove that
UFO's exist (with military evidence to support the idea)..
If they even had an AWACS in the area (which was concluded in the report but not officially known) then it is logical to assume that there is much
more accurate radar information in the military's possession than what the FAA submitted (not just the AWACS data, but also the data from the MANY
military-run radar stations surrounding this geographical area). Therefore, the military radar data would be much more conclusive and MUCH more
revealing than what was submitted for the MUFON report.. A
And if the military really KNEW what it had in it's possession in the form of this data (which they probably did seeing as they even sent a formation
of F-16's in to investigate along with the possible AWACS) Then it is also logical to assume that they would not be willing to cooperate based on
what it implies. Which is, of coarse, that UFO's are real.
But, at least for now, all we have is what was submitted in response to the FOIA requests for the MUFON report, the eyewtiness testimony (which
correlates with the radar data in some instances) and whatever evidence, photos, or videos the witnesses wanted to contribute to the report (which is
actually alot). But there is probably MUCH MUCH more that we are not seeing here..
This is compelling..
[edit on 26-7-2008 by BlasteR]