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RED CELL - Secret Military Terrorism Organization

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posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:19 PM
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C.O. told me that things were not looking good and that i would probably be discharged. next day was told by a doctor that I would not be fit for duty and recommending that I be discharged. was actually told 2 times that I was being "kicked" out.

Oh well, I've done pretty good for myself since though, have a nice career and a beautiful daughter that I might not have ever had, with a Navy career ?

back to topic though... I'm going to do some reading up on Red Cell, sounds really interesting.




posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:21 PM
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Alright man, take it easy. I am going to get some sleep. It's about 2200 where I'm at right now, so....

Later, LT.

Mr. M



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:23 PM
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Didn't RedCell take Air Force One once? I bought a few books from Amazon on this by Marcinko. I haven't started them yet because we're still cleaning up from the move. Knowing what little I know about the upper echelons of military leadership (actually any leadership, corporate or military) I can see the unsat reports being the trigger for terminating the charter of RedCell. I work with people like that currently and it's a real pain sometimes. You have to learn to work them to your advantage but they can turn on you in a second.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by StarChild
Alright man, take it easy. I am going to get some sleep. It's about 2200 where I'm at right now, so....

Later, LT.

Mr. M


Catch you on the flip side Mr. M.

U2U me when you get a chance.

LT



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:27 PM
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As far as what we discussed, LT, I am not sure. Quite frankly, that's his business, and if it really happened like that, then I understand why he avoids talking about it. Sure, I'd be embarrassed too. However, let's not press the issue right now. He has been through enough, and from his posts, is regretful in a sense.


Mr. M



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:48 PM
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Just some Red Cell stuff. Some for wannabes and some not...


Get the Red Cell action figure...


The Richard Marcinko Collection:

Land Warrior


Combat Swimmer


CQB

Interview with Richard Marcinko

Red Cell DVD

Red Cell @ specialoperations.com

"One of the most important Ops function is to provide a "Red Cell," or adversary view, of emerging concepts. By taking the enemy's perspective, the Red Cell can more easily pinpoint weaknesses and vulnerabilities."
NWDC Operations - Red Cell Division Overview



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:51 PM
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Oh my GOD, man, that is the funniest # I have seen in a while!


DICK ACTION FIGURES!!!


Oh shiit, I am going to have a heart attack!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!!!


Hey NavSpecWar! You're toys are here! AHAHAHAHA!!!!



Mr. M



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by silQ
this sounds like something from a video game i played once. i can't remember the exact name but red cell if totally fictitious


Dick's team and his operations were not fictitious. This was before the video-game kudzu commando genre. He probed naval security and found their weaknesses.

Read the book. Don't get reality confused with stupid video games. I've talked to folks who were not on the Dick fan club list, but he certainly has an entertaining writing style.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 03:00 PM
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I was just on a couple of websites pertaining to this, I think I'm gonna pick up a couple of the books and read them. Sounds very interesting.

Until reading this thread, I never knew that Red Cell or this guy existed.

I learned something new today



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 12:56 AM
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Ok, I learned a lot from this topic\I don't know debate.
So Starchild your a seal or something. Thats cool, I not here to start nothing.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Agent Iceman
Ok, I learned a lot from this topic\I don't know debate.
So Starchild your a seal or something. Thats cool, I not here to start nothing.


No, I am not a SEAL. But I went through the training.

I came in the Navy as an MS with a submarine contract. When I got to boot camp I saw the advertisements for Special Warfare. I went to the Dive Motivator and volunteered for Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL Training in Coronado, CA. The SEALs told me that I had to change my specialty in order to go to BUD/S, because only certain specialties are accepted. These are called source ratings.

I changed my rate to Gunners Mate (weapons, explosives, pyrotechnics, electronics, hydrualics, pneumatics specialist), and went through the SEALs preliminary screening test. The test involves medical screening, dental screening, psychological evaluations, physical performance testing, etc.

I passed all of the requirements, and was the only person out of 40 men to pass the physical test on the day that I took it. BUPERS gave me orders to GM A-School in Great Lakes, IL, and then upon completion I would transfer duty stations to the Naval Special Warfare Center in Coronado for SEAL Training.

Upon arrival at NSWC I checking into BUD/S Class #237, and began my training. I successfully completed all of the evolutions and requirements asked of me. My scores, both academically and physically, were outstanding. I sprained my ankle during a chow run one day, and it severly impaired my ability to participate in training. However, I continued to train for another week, doing all of the physical activities while injured. I even did a 2 mile ocean swim with fins, and pulled in a time of 58 minutes. Finally, during a beach run in the sand down towards Mexico, at about the 8 mile mark my ankle popped, and I couldn't move it at all. The ambulance took me to Medical, who determined that I could not continue training, and I was rolled out of #237 and into #238, which was the next class in line.

I had to start all over, and go through everything all over again. However, I did not lose motivation, because I wanted to be a SEAL more than anything in the world. They could've chopped off one of my arms and I would still stayed in training if they would've let me. I went through about 1 month of rehab, and then got right back into it.

I went through everything all over again, and successfully completed all evolutions. During Third Phase, which is the Land Warfare Phase, I ripped my Illio Tibular Band in my right thigh in half. It happened while fast roping out of a helo. This was it, they would not roll me back another class. Therefore I was dropped from training, and given orders to the Master at Arms A-School (Military Law Enforcement Training) in Little Creek, VA.

Sept. 11, 2001 happened, and my orders were delayed so that I could go TAD to Millington, TN to assist in the protection of the base. All military installations worldwide were in Force Protection Condition DELTA, which is as good as it gets. Everything was locked down, and security was tight.

I did 3 months in Millington, working as a sniper/observer on top of a water treatment plant, because of my skills in marksmanship.

After everything calmed down somewhat, I transferred to NAB Little Creek, and completed the Naval Law Enforcement Specialist training. After that was completed, the rest is history...


The reason I am so hard on guys who claim to be SEALs, but really aren't is obvious, I hope.

I worked so hard to obtain this goal, and I could not achieve it due to my body failing me. Mentally, I was fine. I could handle anything they threw at me. However, accidents happen, as in the case of my thigh, and that's just the way it is. It wasn't meant to be.

My father told me once, he said, "Son, maybe it's better that you didn't make it. Maybe you would've gone to war and gotten killed."

I see his point, and it is hard for me to look at it that way, but he is right. Now I have been to war, as a civilian, and obviously I am not dead. But you never know, it might've happened if I was to of made it to be a SEAL.

Men that profess to be SEALs are insecure. They are not confident within themselves, and need other people's approval. They feel that if someone believes they are a SEAL, that will somehow give them respect and admiration. I have no respect for these men. They are weak and deceitful.

A liar is one thing in this world that I cannot stand, and a thief. These are the two things I hate most in this world. Liars and Thiefs.

I take this very personally, and you understand why, I hope. Imagine if you went through SEAL training. Put yourself through HELL ON EARTH everyday for 8 months straight, and then didn't make it. Imagine how you would feel. It would kill you. I cried so hard the day they told me that I couldn't continue. In front of all of those SEALs, I cried. And you know what? Some of them cried with me. This goes beyond anything you can fathom. You cannot possibly understand why we cried, nor can I explain it to you.

Explaining SEAL training is like trying to explain sex to a virgin. Unless you experience it for yourself, you will have no idea what it is REALLY about, no matter how much you hear.

Now I have tried to explain to NavalSpecWar that what he is doing is wrong. However, he has refused to comply. I informed him of the possible ramifications of his actions, and still...he refused to comply.

THAT is why I am taking action. NOT simply because of his professed "status". The Wall of Shame is not something to be misused. A man's life can be severely tarnished (mostly in the Special Operations communities) by having his name posted. Understand this. I do not go around looking to # people over. I mind my own business, and I expect other people to do the same. Now, this does not mean that I will not hesitate to do so, if I feel that it is justified.

I do not make these decisions on my own. I personally do not have the authority to post a name on the Wall. I just have the "connections" and know how to report it.

Hopefully, NavalSpecWar will come to his senses, and realize what he has done...


Mr. M



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 02:38 AM
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You went through a lot Starchild. I can see why you hate lairs and fake claimer. I have a friend who you would hate a lot. I don't know. He claims he already went through training for marines, that he is a Marines Marksman, and did HALO before and he is only a Froshman in High school! I don't beleive him, but he still keeps on claiming that he did it. I don't claim nothing like that, even though I want to be part of Marine Force Recon. when I get older.

Your commitment you had in training is inspiring. You never gave up until you were forced out.

I Salute You.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 02:44 AM
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Thank you Agent Iceman. I really appreciate that, man.


Mr. M


DAR

posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 06:13 AM
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Have you looked in other places? Not so much as U.S. Secret Forces, try your searches with the U.N.. Did you hear anything about training in the military that is called "United Nation Military Training?". The Red Cell is anew one to me. I have heard that a force is here in the U.S. residing in abandoned or vacated Goverment camps. The troops are supposed U.N. Militants and trained to go door to door for collections of Personal fire arms of Americans when it becomes the Law. We all know that our soldiers would not disarm our own country, or would they? You can also try your searches in Goverment articles submitted to congress.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 07:21 AM
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StarChild,

I too was under the impression that you are a Navy SEAL.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

But I must say again, NavSpec... is not claiming to be a seal and you should leave him alone.

In my opinion, since you are not a SEAL, nor never was, you were not awarded the Trident (sp), you shouldn't worry about this guy who simply has a dream of becoming a SEAL someday.

Before you get angry ( if you do ) hear me out.

I'm very impressed with the trainging that you went through to try and achieve your goal of becoming a SEAL, I really feel bad for you that your body let you down, it's a shame, but this is simply an internet discussion board and a kid who has a dream, let him have it.

Good Luck to you, and Peace.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by elevatedone
StarChild,

I too was under the impression that you are a Navy SEAL.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

But I must say again, NavSpec... is not claiming to be a seal and you should leave him alone.

In my opinion, since you are not a SEAL, nor never was, you were not awarded the Trident (sp), you shouldn't worry about this guy who simply has a dream of becoming a SEAL someday.

Before you get angry ( if you do ) hear me out.

I'm very impressed with the trainging that you went through to try and achieve your goal of becoming a SEAL, I really feel bad for you that your body let you down, it's a shame, but this is simply an internet discussion board and a kid who has a dream, let him have it.

Good Luck to you, and Peace.



NavalSpecWar has been banned from ATS for reasons unknown. So if he wants to claim his "status" elsewhere, then whatever. I made my point, and that's it. I'm finished with it.

Mr. M



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 08:07 AM
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Well, since the author of this post is now gone, can we get back to the discussion at hand: Red Cell? That's why I came to this post in the first place.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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Red Cell is a program that was intiated on behalf of Commander (SEAL) Marcinko. He proposed the development of a program that would accurately identify weaknesses and possible deficiencies in the security posture of U.S. installations, vessels, and even personnel security services (Executive Protection) programs around the world.

He stirred up such a hornests nest by making everyone's programs look like child's play, that the program was disbanded. Brass in the upper echelons of government were getting their reputations tarnished by Mr. Marcinko's "operations" on their commands. This is what ended up de-commissioning the Red Cell, egos.

However, today, almost every military and government organization has these types of programs. However, they are not authorized to operate with the same amount of power that Mr. Marcinko had when Red Cell was operating. These modern units are called "Terrorist Threat Assessment Teams" and operate throughout the DOD in it's entirety.

Mr. M



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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Mr. M, thanks for the information. That's about what I know so far, except the public reason for their disbandment was naturally a different reason - expense accounting. What a joke. Upper management in any arena does not like embarrassment.

So was Air Force One taken like I heard it was by one Red Cell operation?



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 09:29 AM
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But I must say again, NavSpec... is not claiming to be a seal and you should leave him alone.


I have to disagree with you. By putting the title below his name I believe that he was making the claim that he is a SEAL. If it would have said "I want to be a SEAL" then there would have been no confusion.

Now I guess we will have to be skeptical of some of the things that people write on their title line(s).


Anyway, to get back to the topic at hand. Red Cell did exist. Of that there can be no doubt. I only wish that it was still around. I am convinced that if it were, the bombing of the Cole would never have happened.



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