The Definitive "Birth Certificate" Thread - Updated 8th August 2008

Originally posted by coolieno99
Obama still has to present a certified COLB to prove he is natural born.

We cannot take his or anybody's words for it.

The Obama campaign can very easily dispel any doubts about the authenicity of his COLB, by just scanning the back side and show the registrar's signature and seal. And even better yet, reveal his certificate number (like John McCain), so that it can be verify with Hawaii DOH.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I could be reading it wrong. But that's what it looks like. ????

Originally posted by FlyersFan
FYI .. for all those interested in Obamas Birth Certificate and the happenings at that time ....

Huffington Post is reporting a quote by Michelle Obama in which she specifically says Obama's mother was 'VERY SINGLE' when Obama was born.

'VERY SINGLE' as in - NOT MARRIED.

She used very strong and clear language.

Do the Hawaiian birth certificates of that time list the marrage status of the parents at the time of birth? If so, perhaps this is what Obama is hiding and perhaps this is the reason he refuses to officially release his real original birth certificate (as John McCain has done).

Most people don't care if a person is married or not when they have children. But older folks may still care and he may fear losing votes if it gets out.

Perhaps. That's speculation.

Just FYI ....

I just think everybody is barking up the wrong tree. Obama’s parents weren’t married, it appears, and it is likely Obama’s real birth certificate has “unknown” or “refuse to state” where his father’s name would be. This was common back in the days when there was more of a stigma on out-of-wedlock births.

It is also likely his birth name was Dunham, not Obama, and certainly not Soetoro. If he ever legally changed his name to “Barack Obama,” it was probably much later on in his life.

This “controversy” could be resolved if Obama produced the real birth certificate, his parents’ marriage license and divorce papers, if they exist, and any adoption papers if he was adopted by his stepfather.

The problem, of course, is Obama could be covering up the fact he lied about his parents’ marriage.

susannunes @ texasdarlin.wordpress.com

Originally posted by FlyersFan
CONFESSION OF FORGER

Yep. KOS has a confessed forger on it's hands.

IF I"m reading this correctly - The 'Certificate of Birth' from KOS is a forgery and the person who did it CONFESSED ... sort of. He says his intent wasn't 'forgery' therefore it's not a forgery.

I could be reading it wrong. But that's what it looks like. ????

Talk about muddy waters!



[edit on 7/13/2008 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by LLoyd45
I guess I'm reading this wrong too FlyersFan.. It sounds like an admission of forgery to me as well.

The Obama campaign is turning into a 3-ring circus.

Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate

WHY?

texasdarlin.wordpress.com...




Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

His sister.


is this true?

noquarterusa.net...

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Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.

The Israel Insider said, "The revelation that [the birth certificate] of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a 'smoking gun' that appears to implicate Sen. Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama 'birth certificate' – which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features – to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.

"The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother – not yet 19 at the time of his birth – would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on 'natural born citizenship' automatically," the report said.

"There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book 'Dreams from My Father,' specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists," the report said.

The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate.

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.


The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."