The Definitive "Birth Certificate" Thread - Updated 8th August 2008, page 3
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reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 05:57 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Because it was scanned using a cheap scanner with only one light source.

See this post for that discussion. Specifically, the Digital Library Federation excerpt.

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reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 06:56 PM by coolieno99
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Because it was scanned using a cheap scanner with only one light source.

See this post for that discussion. Specifically, the Digital Library Federation excerpt.

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

You're partially correct. It's the other way around. The more expensive special scanner is needed to pick up the embossed seal. But the cheaper single light source scanner may pick up certain types of embossed seals, ones with finer and deeply imprinted features.

Notice that Ms. DeCosta did not attempt to hide her Certificate No. 151 1930 010259 . And Obama hide his Certificate No. It should be the other way around. Ms. DeCosta should hide her number because she's just an ordinary private citizen. Mr. Obama should let the world know his number since he's running for the highest public office in the nation.

Exhibit A, DeCosta COLB:


Exhibit B, Obama COLB:


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reply posted on 10-7-2008 @ 05:02 PM by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by coolieno99
But at least he has the Registrar's signature.


In this post you'll find an email correspondence between ATS member Tuning Spork and Janice Akubo from the Hawaii State Department of Health, in which she states the following:

"In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document. Only certified copies of vitals records that require an Apostille have the embossed seal and signature on the front."

So, unless you have x-ray vision, I doubt you could see the signature. Perhaps you can write to Mr. Obama and ask him to take a picture of the BACK of the document and post it for you and your friends.


reply posted on 10-7-2008 @ 08:39 PM by coolieno99
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

In this post you'll find an email correspondence between ATS member Tuning Spork and Janice Akubo from the Hawaii State Department of Health, in which she states the following:

"In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document. Only certified copies of vitals records that require an Apostille have the embossed seal and signature on the front."

So, unless you have x-ray vision, I doubt you could see the signature. Perhaps you can write to Mr. Obama and ask him to take a picture of the BACK of the document and post it for you and your friends.


I already know that, and that's also true for other states besides Hawaii. If you look carefully at Ms. DeCosta's COLB, the Registrar's signature and the embossed seal are reversed(looking from the front side). The scanner was able to captured the signature and the embossed seal, even though they were imprinted on the back side. I've already posted a message addressing the requirement of validating a Hawaiian COLB on another thread. I'll re-posted again:


Comment by Polarik | 2008-07-03 15:03:24

The signature block on the reverse side of a Hawaiian “Certification of Live Birth” should contain the name, Alvin T. Onaka, State Registrar and Chief of the Office of Health Status Monitoring of the Hawaii Department of Health.
There are seal stamps that are attached to 6″ long arms — like a long stapler — specifically made for embossing the middle of an 8 1/2″ wide document.
The embossing seal is an ink stamp with raised ridges meant to put depressions in the paper that can be felt by hand, in addition to the inked image.
This combination is very hard to duplicate on an original document. It cannot be Photoshopped.
Someone would have to make a duplicate of the embossing seal itself.

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