A quarter of adults to face 'anti-paedophile' tests (UK), page 3
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reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 12:25 AM by cognoscente
reply to post by stumason



“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither freedom or safety.”

These things aren't "required" to keep children safe. The reason government even bothers with all this bureaucratic nonsense is, and contrary to what you may believe about people actually giving a damn, is the very solemn fact that parents today are not passing down the values that they themselves received (or rather neglected) when they were children. This is a cause for concern. Many parents today are just not psychologically equipped to raise children. This is what happens when people become irresponsible. Increasing burdens on society itself forces the government to make their own attempt at correcting common social problems, and this will largely come at the expense of those responsible few remaining.

Your attitude that this is the only way to protect our children, through the submission of our most inalienable rights to privacy, is symptomatic of our very age, a result of the dilapidation of conservative family values, of the dereliction of traditional social norms, and the abandonment of age-old cultural modes. As a part of this massive trend to urbanization, people just aren't psychologically equipped to deal with the artificial lifestyle such city life demands, what with the dissolution of the extended family (and the support network it provides), as well as the massive population densities of large cities, whose inhabitants are rarely closely related...

We need new social institutions to protect our children when it comes to high density urban environments with limited family support. This shouldn't be achieved through laws, which sacrifice our most important privacy rights, cultivated out of the Age of Enlightenment and the Democratic revolutions of the past few centuries. There are better ways. I'm certain key goals can be achieved with the use of not-for-profit organizations whose mission is the dissemination of advocacy information through all media sources and and through lobbying initiatives started by concerned citizens. Prison sentences can be more severe for those who offend.

We should NOT get into the attitude that these people will commit the crimes no matter what the severity of the sentence is. That's ridiculous. No one wants to go to jail forever. If they commit a crime, punish them severely and without remorse, with no opportunity for parole or lenience upon "good behavior". Capital punishment could be a suitable option as well. But it's not like we need to be monitoring every adult individual in the entire country so as to "prevent" crime. That is not the job of the judicial system. All it should do is defined crimes and assign punishments accordingly. Otherwise, they are inclined to overextend the purview of their powers. When the privacy of the citizenry is violated, they have broken the limit of their power. They must be kept in place.

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reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 01:20 AM by Majic
In Other News...

The Catholic Church and United Nations have announced the planned withdrawal of all personnel from the United Kingdom.

Levity aside, the issue is a sensitive one because kids do need to be protected from sexual predators, but it's far too easy to go overboard and end up doing more harm than good.

That's the premise of the article which, I think it's important to bear in mind, is from June 2008.

All the talk of "tests" is somewhat misleading, since the the author of the article went on to explain that what's actually being conducted are criminal background checks. That seems to have resulted in misunderstandings on the part of some members.

Of greater concern than the "tests" is an atmosphere of paranoia which hurts both adults and children alike.

I don't think anyone is arguing that children shouldn't be protected, nor that there aren't reasonable measures that can and should be taken. Putting children in a "lock box" and turning all contact with adults into Kafkaesque ordeals, however, is not the answer.

Far and away the most important thing next to responsible supervision is to teach children their rights, and make sure they know they can talk to someone they trust when they are in any way concerned about an adult's behavior. They don't need to be terrorized, just educated and listened to.

Meanwhile, adults must be sensitive to concerns about safety and ensure that their behavior toward children is appropriate and sensible.

By nature, paranoia is not rational, so until it dies down, we can expect more trouble from it. On the other hand, the problem of sexual abuse of children hasn't received enough attention until recently, either.

Far too many children have suffered for far too long to ever sweep it under the rug again.

So yes, some of the measures being used to protect children from sexual predators can be irritating or downright discouraging.

But in the end, I still think it's better than the alternative.


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 03:26 AM by read between the lines
reply to post by MCoG1980

well said ,i better not say to much or i will get banned but ,i will say this. i have been on many forums and i think that they are contact media for paedophiles . ban me if you want to .


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 07:49 AM by read between the lines
reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


yes jim royle . in prison people from the outside can pay using drugs
to have you labeled a nonce ,you can have your head kicked in by the whole prison . if you burgle the wrong property or beat up the wrong person etc. people can have that done out of prison as well ,money talks.and is the root of all evil


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 07:54 AM by read between the lines
reply to post by LostNemesis


i like your signature- if the world realy is against you its usualy for a good reason. yes drug abused children that kill .
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