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CHALLENGE: Find 2+ pieces of United Airline debris at Shanksville

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Topic started on 20-6-2008 @ 04:09 PM by im_being_censored

According to officials, 95% of United Airlines Flight 93 was recovered at Shanksville.

With almost all of Flight 93 supposedly recovered, there should be a lot of plane debris identified coming from a United Airlines plane.

Here is one piece of debris allegedly from Flight 93 that can be distinguished as coming from a UA plane:

www.rcfp.org...

Your 1st challenge:

Find at least ONE MORE piece of plane debris from the Shanksville scene that can be identified as coming from a United Airlines plane.

Your 2nd challenge:

Prove the piece of UA debris in the photo above was taken at the Shanksville scene so we don't think someone tossed a piece of UA debris not coming from Flight 93 in the forest at some other location to stage that photo.

With the claim of "95%" of Flight 93 being recovered at the scene, this should be an EASY challenge to win.

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reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 04:10 PM by 420prajna

The movie said it was true

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 07:34 PM by mirageofdeceit

Do you really believe that? A MOVIE? (No disrespect to those who died).

With the claim of "95%" of Flight 93 being recovered at the scene, this should be an EASY challenge to win.

There isn't a jet there. A lot of emphasis was put on the fuselage section and *an* engine, but what of the APU, Wings etc..?? NOTHING.

The main spar is single-piece for rigidity.

[edit on 20-6-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 07:46 PM by GoldenFleece

The problem is that wreckage was scattered over an 8 mile area, according to the FBI. 95% didn't come from that smoking crater. More like 5%, if that. An engine and part of an engine were reportedly found days later at 800 yards and "a significant distance" from the crash site.

There were eyewitnesses to the crash in Shanksville and at a marina several miles away, where some say flaming pieces fell from the plane as it flew overhead. Human remains were recovered from the lake. People also saw at least two other planes in the area, including a mysterious white jet that flew very low and fast.

Many of the residents in Shanksville, including the mayor, believe UA 93 was shot down.

About the only thing we know for sure is that it didn't happen the way we were told.

But I'm sure you've gotten used to that by now.

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reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 08:12 PM by Agit8dChop

How can a plan slam into the earth yet make 8 miles of wreckage?

If the plane hit the ground and skidded along 8 miles leaving wreckage behind, it wouldnt just disintergrate at the end..

for that much of a field, it had to have been destroyed in the air to scatter it all over the place.

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 08:17 PM by ThroatYogurt

reply to post by Agit8dChop

Why does this get rehashed over and over. Does anyone know how to read?

The debris field that extended far beyond the impact point was of LIGHT MATERIALS !!! Papers etc:

[FBI Agent in charge] Crowley said that debris from the crash has been found in New Baltimore, Pa., which is 8 miles away from the crash scene, and Indian Lake, which is 2 1/2 miles away from the crash scene. Crowley said that NTSB officials said that it is probable that the debris in New Baltimore is from the crash.

The debris found in New Baltimore include paper and nylon, Crowley said. He said that the debris found is lightweight and easily can be carried by the wind. At the time of the crash, there was wind speed of 9 knots per hour heading to the southeast. Both Indian Lake and New Baltimore are southeast of the crash scene. [Bolding mine]

WTAE's Jim Parsons reported Wednesday that debris had been found miles off-site and removed. State Police Maj. Lyle Szupinka confirmed Thursday that debris had been discovered in the residential community of Indian Lake northeast of the central crash site.

Jim Brant, owner of Indian Lake Marina, said he rushed outside Tuesday morning when he heard the roar of jet engines overhead, then saw a fireball rise into the air. The wind was strong that morning, Brant said, and within minutes debris from the crash was "falling like confetti."

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 08:46 PM by im_being_censored

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
95% didn't come from that smoking crater. More like 5%, if that.

An engine and part of an engine were reportedly found days later at 800 yards and "a significant distance" from the crash site.

Ambassadors at the UA93 memorial are saying about 80% was found in the crater.

And then they changed their story to just finding an engine fan in the pond.

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 09:09 PM by thedman

And then they changed their story to just finding an engine fan in the pond.

A section of an engine fan (large piece in front of engine) was found
several hundred yards DOWNHILL and IN DIRECTION Flight 93 was
travelling. Part broken off on impact and rolled DOWNHILL landing
in a catch basin .

Did you get this - part of engine rolled downhill from main impact site?????

reply posted on 20-6-2008 @ 09:44 PM by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by Agit8dChop

Why does this get rehashed over and over. Does anyone know how to read?

The debris field that extended far beyond the impact point was of LIGHT MATERIALS !!! Papers etc:

Well, except for it's engines.

I'm wondering if anyone knows how to post a story without spinning it?

Engine found 1/3 of a mile from crash site:

For the first two or three days, Marshall walked the surrounding countryside looking for airplane parts.

"I found a lot of parts," said Marshall, who was awarded a 2000 Law Enforcement Agency Directors award for identifying a man nearly four years after he was found murdered.

"The biggest part I found was one of the plane's engines. It was about 600 yards from the crash site itself. I think they took it out with a winch on a bulldozer."

web.archive.org...:/www.sharon-herald.com/localnews/recentnews/0110/ln100801c.html

1,000-pound engine piece found "considerable distance" from impact crater:

While the FBI and other authorities have said the plane was mostly obliterated by the 500 mph impact, they also said a 1,000-pound piece of one of the engines was found "a considerable distance" from the crater in the wide open spaces of the Svonavec Coal Co.

archive.southcoasttoday.com...

All you see is a large crater in the ground. Debris is scattered over 3-4 mile radius:

YouTube Link

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 06:24 AM by ThroatYogurt

reply to post by GoldenFleece

300 yards south... not 8,7, Or even 1 mile away. Who is spinning here?

Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards."

www.popularmechanics.com...

IF you want to start up the ol missile rubbish....

Robert Sherman, a conventional weapons expert with the Federation of American Scientists who worked for the state department as former executive director of the Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Advisory Board, and also wrote extensively about F-16s and Sidewinder missiles, looked at the missile theories on flight93crash.com and deemed it "the usual paranoid crap."

"There was nothing there that gets me very worked up," he says. "Maybe [the plane] did break up. A crash is not a sanitary event. By definition, the uncontrolled impact of an airplane does strange things."

Sherman said that if a missile had hit Flight 93, there would have been more evidence. "If a Sidewinder had hit it, there would have been pieces of the fan or the fuselage in a larger area," he says. "If the engine breaks up, then the fan blades are going to come off like bullets. Pieces of the wing and fuselage would be all over the place."

web.archive.org...://www.pittsburghpulp.com/content/2002/11_28/news_cover_story.shtml

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reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 08:00 AM by mirageofdeceit

The debris would be localized (less than a mile) if it just crashed. For it to be scattered over an 8 mile area, it would have to have been blown out the sky.

The idea it was blown out the sky doesn't make sense as it was a lost opportunity for the DoD to claim a success against the terrorists.

[edit on 21-6-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 08:44 AM by Boone 870

reply to post by GoldenFleece

Many of the residents in Shanksville, including the mayor, believe UA 93 was shot down.

Could you provide a source stating that the mayor believes Flight 93 was shot down?

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 09:13 AM by Boone 870

reply to post by mirageofdeceit

The debris would be localized (less than a mile) if it just crashed.

That wasn't the case with USAir Flight 427:

One [flight 427] witness stated that he heard the sound of the crash while he was playing golf about 2 miles east-northeast of the accident site; about 2 minutes later, he observed blackened insulation falling onto the golf course. The insulation, business card, and sections of the airplane’s cargo liner were sent to Safety Board and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) laboratories for examination, which revealed no evidence of explosive residue. wtc7lies.googlepages.com

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 09:33 AM by Boone 870

reply to post by im_being_censored

With almost all of Flight 93 supposedly recovered, there should be a lot of plane debris identified coming from a United Airlines plane.

(bolding added)

Says who?

Your 1st challenge:

Find at least ONE MORE piece of plane debris from the Shanksville scene that can be identified as coming from a United Airlines plane.

If one were to find another piece of plane debris from a United Airlines plane, would you believe that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville or would you rechallenge me to find at least one more piece?

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 12:17 PM by ThroatYogurt

reply to post by mirageofdeceit

So explain to us. What happened to the plane? Many witnesses saw it crash. Many saw the fireball. No one is witness to a sidewinder strike.

Was there trucks full of plane parts and papers and nylon driving around dropping it off??

Keep in mind, witnesses stated that after the impact, they report papers like confetti raining on them.

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 01:21 PM by im_being_censored

Amazing that "95%" of Flight 93 was said to have been recovered, but there is ONLY ONE photo that shows debris that comes from a United Airlines plane. That's the kind of thing you'd expect if the crash site was fake.

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reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 01:37 PM by blackcube

I am just wondering where are the corpses =P

If the plain crash in the air, or other place, dont matter, where are the corpses?

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 06:10 PM by SickSoul

Originally posted by blackcube
I am just wondering where are the corpses =P

If the plain crash in the air, or other place, dont matter, where are the corpses?

I just got this great idea, why don't we strap you up in a seat inside a 80 ton metal tube and slam it to the ground at 250-350 kts?

Then we hand over to the local coroner a picture of you and makes him identify you by it.

Bits and pieces man, bits and pieces

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 10:07 PM by ThroatYogurt

reply to post by blackcube

Black,

Can you please post a link to any large airline crash that has phots of the corpses.

LEt me ask you... if your mother was on the plane...would you want pictures of her remains posted all over the internet?

reply posted on 21-6-2008 @ 10:24 PM by Griff

Originally posted by im_being_censored
According to officials, 95% of United Airlines Flight 93 was recovered at Shanksville.

Actually according to officials 95 percent of the plane found at the site was handed over to United.

At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

I keep having to point out the misunderstanding of the debunkers that this does not mean that 95 percent of the entire plane was found. Just 95 percent of what was actually found was handed over.

If they recover 1 pound and handed over .95 pounds then they can also say that 95 percent of the plane that was found was handed over to United.

Like I said in another thread. It's called Orwellian speak used to confuse the gullible. Not you OP.

Edit: I read the link in the OP. It's interesting that they say different. I'd like to see the original quote from Bill Crowly.

[edit on 6/21/2008 by Griff]