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U.S. Plans to Kill Pirate Bay, Monitor ISPs With Multinational ACTA Proposal

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posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:13 PM
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U.S. Plans to Kill Pirate Bay, Monitor ISPs With Multinational ACTA Proposal


www.dailytech. com

The empire strikes back; the U.S. government's holds secret plans to kill nonprofit torrent sites and increase user monitoring

Now Wikileaks has obtained a leaked copy of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), a shadowy bill that has been being discussed in Congress behind closed doors. The new multi-lateral intellectual property measure is being pushed by Republican U.S. Trade Representative Susan C. Schwab, who designed much of it. The ACTA bill is apparently supported by the U.S., the European Commission (well known for its recent fining of Microsoft), Japan, and Switzerland.

The third page, paragraph one contains a clause which is becoming known as the "Pirate Bay-killer". It would criminalize non-profit facilitation of copyrighted information exchange on the internet. The Pirate Bay is the largest of several torrent sites that operate on a nonprofit basis and do not provide copyright materials, but provide means to find them. Critics argue that this is as bad as direct copyright infringement, but advocates point out The Pirate Bay also is used to find legitimate files and that similar accusations could be leveled against Google or virtually any search engine.
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posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:13 PM
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Wow... more hidden agendas by the government. Nowadays with all the prices rising, I'm pretty sure that people uses more pirated software than legitimate ones. This government apparently does not know how to prioritize its needs.

www.dailytech. com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:38 PM
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What kind of morons are coming up with these completly useless tactics?

You can't stop people from finding torrents!!


They might as well get rid of e-mail, google, mIRC, and all those java based chat rooms that do nothing but spam torrents.


The hackers will own the internet, what part of that do they not understand?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE


The hackers will own the internet, what part of that do they not understand?


After so many seconds they will have your ip address and send the guns in. Have you thought of that?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Shar
After so many seconds they will have your ip address and send the guns in. Have you thought of that?


I'm suicidal. Also, I pay for my software, or at least take full advantage of trial software.


I don't have anything illegal, specifically for that reason. Do you know the true definition of a hacker?

b.t.w. torrents aren't illegal.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:52 PM
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"The hackers will own the internet".

If that isn't a grab for power i don't know what is.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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You tell that to every single computer programmer that leaves college. They already tried to take down Pirate Bay, and they were unsuccessful simply because Pirate Bay does nothing but share tiny "url" type files called torrents. Torrents are simply links to files that are not stationary on the internet.

Does anyone here know how torrents work? If you did you would understand why this is useless. I'm not trying to "grab for power" or whatever fantasies you got going in your head, I am simply stating the technological facts.

Trying to stop torrents is like trying to stop me from doing this:
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 11-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 05:03 PM
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Ya before you people spout garbage maybe you should thank the hackers for what they have done..

If it wasn't for them We wouldn't have the things we have now..

So learn respect and don't dis something you people who only use the net for porn and news...

The Internet is more complicated than that... The hackers in the end will rule over any government.. Why tf do you think they have a course in Sweden to hack a US based computer?? THINKY THINKY

Now please learn something before my sig proves us right.

OH and yes the government fears hackers.. Remember Kevin Mitnick?

[edit on 6/11/2008 by ThichHeaded]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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You mean, thank the 'hackers' for creating a viable target for government efforts to control public access to the internet?

Sure.

Why don't you think about the implications for a second, do you really think it's going to be that easy?

As for berating people over the true nature of a 'hacker', don't you think people have become a little bit more tuned in considering the prevalence of 'hackers' on the internet?

You'd have to live in a damn closet with only a book from pre-19th century for company not to understand how torrents work.

You said to remember Kevin Mitnick, and i'll thank you for pointing out the fact that they've had plenty of time to figure out how to deal with this little mess.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 05:35 PM
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It's still quite obvious you don't know what a real hacker is. No a real hacker is not someone who makes virus's, or likes to steal things. A real hacker is someone who believes in "freedom of information".

Also, yes, it will be REALLY easy. Because we have:

1) open source operating systems
2) open source server operating systems
3) open source software compilers
4) open source electrical schematics for motherboards/video cards/modems/routers/switches
6) free air for wireless tech.

I can keep going. The government can only control the current internet. Not the internet that they are going to force the hackers to create themselves.


[edit on 11-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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Sorry to break in your conversation but I have a question:

If Pirate Bay does get shut down, will it just get shut down or will the gov't try to tack down all the users of Pirate Bay? Cause...that'd be a helluva lot of work and ton's of people will be effected. i understand that Pirate Bay only supplied the URL to the torrent so i guess technically they didn't provide the torrents but aren't they still providing a way to a torrent?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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Dude they aren't going to understand what your talking about..

They are to lost in ignorance to comprehend that a real hacker is someone who does things to see how far they can go.. not break some law or put spyware or something on your computer..

But whatever.. the government can do whatever the tf they want.. in the end the people aways win.. Ask Rome and Ask Greece.. and ask Germany.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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Torrents are URLs. You download a "torrent" which contains a very small bit of information that is literally like a URL. Then you use software like BitTorrent, uTorrent, or any other open source torrent reading software to connect to peoples computers.

The way torrents work, is that instead of downloading from 0ne place like you would from a website, you are actually downloading from multiple places at the same time and the pieces are clicked together. So they would have to actually get rid of Personal Computers to fully stop this.

Torrent's are the most efficient way to download, and the technology is ahead of its time. Torrent's are mainly used for large downloads, and not pirated software.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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Wow, the government is doing their job and upholding the laws of the land... imagine that! Seriously, it is a cat & mouse game. The feds do their part, are consistantly 1 or 2 steps behind the better hackers and the pirates, and the game continues. The true goal of these actions isn't to bring down the big boys, it's to make it more difficult for the average PC owner to find and download copyrighted materials. It's like the old saying "The only thing a lock does is keep honest people honest." The guys who know what they're doing won't be stopped from breaking the law, but the law can certainly take steps to stop those who just download illegally because it is easy and convenient. I stand firmly on the oposite side of the fence from the law on this issue, but it doesn't bother me because I know I can easily find another torrent site, or another PSP program, or another usenet source. It's all part of the game.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:21 PM
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I'm all for stopping pirated software, because I am not a pirate. But when they stop websites from sharing free things that do not have copyrights, that's when they have gone too far.

I also think that software companies should be to blame for the pirated software. If they can't create software that has good encryption or functions that keep people out of their software, then they are going to get pirated.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by ALLis0NE]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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to the poster above, no matter what a software company encrypts with there will always be a bored or pissed off 13 year old who will find a way to crack it, after all the unfairness of information an resources to only the rich has brought upon a new way to obtain for the poor.

wow.... lol what about file hosting sites that are based in Non-allied countries like syria and iran? they gonna shut them down too? lol

You know who pirates most software? Not Americans... its everyone outside of america.... lol yes americans do their fair share of it, but think about the people across the world who live in countries who have no copyright laws, or who just see it as a take a penny leave a penny tray. It just doesnt matter.

This is just more crap being slung from people who are scared.... Scared to lose the power they thought they would have. The power that every government has is false, its just a illusion, they have a faith based power, the people will follow them only if they are lead to believe they will do what is in the best measures of the people, An now people are rising up an challenging that Illusion...

Time to wake al the sleepy heads up, this world belongs to US ALL..... Not whom ever hold the most money.. Everyone on this planet needs to see who an why they are here for you all are witnessing the dawn of mankind's Intellectual Age.

Silly gooberment dont you know information is for everyone..... lol





[edit on 11-6-2008 by Trance Optic]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
What kind of morons are coming up with these completly useless tactics?

You can't stop people from finding torrents!!


They might as well get rid of e-mail, google, mIRC, and all those java based chat rooms that do nothing but spam torrents.


The hackers will own the internet, what part of that do they not understand?


This would take too much money because of all the man power needed to undergo such an operation...the torrent world can only be stopped if you take down the trackers...but of course now they have trackerless torrents...if record companies were smart they would make a treaty with ISPs to raise our internet fees and use revenue sharing to help offset their losses.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by yellowcard
if record companies were smart they would make a treaty with ISPs to raise our internet fees and use revenue sharing to help offset their losses.


If record companies were smart, they would realize that if they stopped putting out crap more people would buy albums. I refuse to drop $20 on an album for one or two songs. Same goes for the movie industry. If a night out with my woman to just see a movie cost me less than $50 I would not have to download the movies.

This what happens when the people take the power back. The big industries that had spent so long screwing the little guy, finally get some back, and don't like it. Their constant chase to shut all these holes cost them more money than if they actually pulled their head out of their collective areas and solved the root cause of the problem. People have been telling them this for years but they refuse to listen.

On a side note, I wonder how many of these legislators have "illegal" music on their computers



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Rook1545

Originally posted by yellowcard
if record companies were smart they would make a treaty with ISPs to raise our internet fees and use revenue sharing to help offset their losses.


If record companies were smart, they would realize that if they stopped putting out crap more people would buy albums. I refuse to drop $20 on an album for one or two songs. Same goes for the movie industry. If a night out with my woman to just see a movie cost me less than $50 I would not have to download the movies.

This what happens when the people take the power back. The big industries that had spent so long screwing the little guy, finally get some back, and don't like it. Their constant chase to shut all these holes cost them more money than if they actually pulled their head out of their collective areas and solved the root cause of the problem. People have been telling them this for years but they refuse to listen.

On a side note, I wonder how many of these legislators have "illegal" music on their computers


The problem is, the record labels aren't losing out as much as the bands. Think, a band has a label to promote their stuff, but the labels don't promote it (because of piracy), as a result ticket sales drop (this is where the bands make most of their money)...so they have a little money from concerts, record sales drop due to piracy obviously...so the bands then have to split that very small amount of money to 4 or 5 members...it adds up to be not much at all. The record industry is in deep # right now, and you will be begin to see bands drop like flies from the labels. This is something that a single performer (like Kelly Clarkson or something) don't face...they don't have to split that revenue. Who's on top of the charts right now? Hardly any bands, most of them are single performers...and this is why. Bands are getting killed because there is no one to promote them...that is the main purpose of the labels aside from recording and mastering. If you like a band, you had better support them, I support bands I like as best I can...and sadly I've already lost a few this year due to label issues and piracy. No one knows the depth of the wounds that music piracy has caused until your favorite bands get scrapped.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by yellowcard]



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
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It's still quite obvious you don't know what a real hacker is.


Please explain what precisely it is that gave you that impression.



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