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It's not making you spoiled if you knows something. Regardless from the matter, only those ones will call you spoiled, who is usually envy on you.
It's human nature.
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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 02:25 AM by BlasteR
reply to post by Dark Crystalline
I'm sure some sensitives in the past didn't have to be taught anything when they were children either. There is no way to know whether or not
1-whether or not children are somehow becoming more sensitive now than they have been in the past.
2-whether or not, if 1 is correct, this is due to some kind of unknown, high-speed, speculative form of spiritual evolution (which doesn't make alot of sense).
3-That the causes for this (considering 1 and/or 2 are correct) have anything at all to do with anything other than very normal/natural influences instead of some all-out human evolution into a higher dimension caused by seemingly divine influences.
How can we honestly know whether or not children are somehow more sensitive now than they were a century ago? It's not like we can simply compare them. The only thing we have to go off of to do anything resembling a comparison is looking at historical data. And not every event is historically recorded (let alone whether or not it is recorded accurately). Not to mention, people 1,000 years ago had no idea about all this new-aged mumbo jumbo and they weren't teaching their kids these things from the day they were born like they are today.. Therefore, we could simply be seeing the power of suggestion in one form or another.
There is simply no way to know for sure whether or not children since the seventies are somehow more sensitive than children born prior to the seventies.. Children who are not taught about this kind of sensitivity, children not taught such new-aged ideals a hundred years ago, it would be a much different situation when compared to the children of today who are being, basically, taught from childhood that they are super-sensitive and that it is all related to this idea of crystal children. People teach their children this while assuming that all of these new aged concepts like auras, spiritual evolution, etc.. is all real and they teach their children these things as well...
I have no beef with anyone here. I have not attacked anyone and I am truly sorry if you feel that I am somehow coming across as callous or inconsiderate to your beliefs. I am not closed-minded, I meditate, I am currently reading 1 book about astronomy and 2 books on the paranormal. I am keenly curious about the universe around us and there are many deep-seeded mysteries about the universe we know very little or nothing about scientifically or otherwise.
But, just as in the past, when the egyptians saw the sun had such immense power over their lives in determining what crop seasons would be plentiful, which wouldn't, etc.. and just as they chose to worship the sun because of the sun's mysterious power on agriculture, it shows that when a society slowly learns about strange new phenomenon, it is quite often that a society will see such phenomenon as having some kind of spiritual signifigance (which is then taught to their children, and their children's children, etc..). If someone saw ball lightning one day 100,000 years ago and had no idea what it was, they might just attribute it to god/spiritual energy. How can we be so sure this new-aged movement any different? Everything dark, foreboding, and mysterious has probably been worshipped sometime in the past.
These have all been worshipped/hallowed as having spiritual powers throughout history..Cougars, lions, crocodiles, the sun, lightning, trees, plants, bears, bison, cattle, ravens, dogs... The list continues.. Even if the concept of "crystal children" has a basis in reality and these children are becoming more sensitive, this new aged concept of crystal children could just be this very same concept in a different package and we are again seeing mysterious unknown phenomenon becoming seen as proof of god/auras/spiritual evolution/etc..
But many people never really consider these things. Some people are willing to believe any new-aged thing that comes along in a book, magazine, or on TV because they are looking for something to believe in. In other words, they are looking for faith in god and the universe after living so long in such a dark, dimented world they are stuck in whether they like it or not. And, in a way, you can't blame people like this just because of how dark and twisted religion, politics, and people in general are.
For some people, faith is enough. For other people, the world is a little more complicated than that. We live in a very complex universe with very complex phenomenon, much of which we probably haven't even seen yet. Having such a fascinated curiosity about the world around us, as I have, means that you expect the natural world to be both simple and complex at the same time.
But at the same time (at least in my opinion) the more one is willing to believe in a creator in whatever form one to choose the more one is compromising their own ability to see the world objectively through the mindset of looking for the truth regardless of whether or not you agree with that truth or not. All of the world's spiritual and/or religious beliefs are all at odds with one another because they are so very different.. I find it highly unlikely that one way or spiritual belief is real while the majority of the world is living in a spiritually delusional dreamworld. Therefore, I personally refuse to openly accept any one faith or religion because, from the very start, the odds are always going to be that you are wrong regardless of what you believe.
But I also think the fact that there are so many religious/spiritual ideaologies out there is proof that most of these spiritual beliefs are man-made and propogated by man over time. I have a very different world-view in general than most people, but I think alot of folks on ATS here would understand what I mean..
-ChriS
I'm sure some sensitives in the past didn't have to be taught anything when they were children either. There is no way to know whether or not
1-whether or not children are somehow becoming more sensitive now than they have been in the past.
2-whether or not, if 1 is correct, this is due to some kind of unknown, high-speed, speculative form of spiritual evolution (which doesn't make alot of sense).
3-That the causes for this (considering 1 and/or 2 are correct) have anything at all to do with anything other than very normal/natural influences instead of some all-out human evolution into a higher dimension caused by seemingly divine influences.
How can we honestly know whether or not children are somehow more sensitive now than they were a century ago? It's not like we can simply compare them. The only thing we have to go off of to do anything resembling a comparison is looking at historical data. And not every event is historically recorded (let alone whether or not it is recorded accurately). Not to mention, people 1,000 years ago had no idea about all this new-aged mumbo jumbo and they weren't teaching their kids these things from the day they were born like they are today.. Therefore, we could simply be seeing the power of suggestion in one form or another.
There is simply no way to know for sure whether or not children since the seventies are somehow more sensitive than children born prior to the seventies.. Children who are not taught about this kind of sensitivity, children not taught such new-aged ideals a hundred years ago, it would be a much different situation when compared to the children of today who are being, basically, taught from childhood that they are super-sensitive and that it is all related to this idea of crystal children. People teach their children this while assuming that all of these new aged concepts like auras, spiritual evolution, etc.. is all real and they teach their children these things as well...
I have no beef with anyone here. I have not attacked anyone and I am truly sorry if you feel that I am somehow coming across as callous or inconsiderate to your beliefs. I am not closed-minded, I meditate, I am currently reading 1 book about astronomy and 2 books on the paranormal. I am keenly curious about the universe around us and there are many deep-seeded mysteries about the universe we know very little or nothing about scientifically or otherwise.
But, just as in the past, when the egyptians saw the sun had such immense power over their lives in determining what crop seasons would be plentiful, which wouldn't, etc.. and just as they chose to worship the sun because of the sun's mysterious power on agriculture, it shows that when a society slowly learns about strange new phenomenon, it is quite often that a society will see such phenomenon as having some kind of spiritual signifigance (which is then taught to their children, and their children's children, etc..). If someone saw ball lightning one day 100,000 years ago and had no idea what it was, they might just attribute it to god/spiritual energy. How can we be so sure this new-aged movement any different? Everything dark, foreboding, and mysterious has probably been worshipped sometime in the past.
These have all been worshipped/hallowed as having spiritual powers throughout history..Cougars, lions, crocodiles, the sun, lightning, trees, plants, bears, bison, cattle, ravens, dogs... The list continues.. Even if the concept of "crystal children" has a basis in reality and these children are becoming more sensitive, this new aged concept of crystal children could just be this very same concept in a different package and we are again seeing mysterious unknown phenomenon becoming seen as proof of god/auras/spiritual evolution/etc..
But many people never really consider these things. Some people are willing to believe any new-aged thing that comes along in a book, magazine, or on TV because they are looking for something to believe in. In other words, they are looking for faith in god and the universe after living so long in such a dark, dimented world they are stuck in whether they like it or not. And, in a way, you can't blame people like this just because of how dark and twisted religion, politics, and people in general are.
For some people, faith is enough. For other people, the world is a little more complicated than that. We live in a very complex universe with very complex phenomenon, much of which we probably haven't even seen yet. Having such a fascinated curiosity about the world around us, as I have, means that you expect the natural world to be both simple and complex at the same time.
But at the same time (at least in my opinion) the more one is willing to believe in a creator in whatever form one to choose the more one is compromising their own ability to see the world objectively through the mindset of looking for the truth regardless of whether or not you agree with that truth or not. All of the world's spiritual and/or religious beliefs are all at odds with one another because they are so very different.. I find it highly unlikely that one way or spiritual belief is real while the majority of the world is living in a spiritually delusional dreamworld. Therefore, I personally refuse to openly accept any one faith or religion because, from the very start, the odds are always going to be that you are wrong regardless of what you believe.
But I also think the fact that there are so many religious/spiritual ideaologies out there is proof that most of these spiritual beliefs are man-made and propogated by man over time. I have a very different world-view in general than most people, but I think alot of folks on ATS here would understand what I mean..
-ChriS
reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 09:49 AM by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
Deny ignorance - don't welcome it with open arms.
You believe in indigo kids not because of any tangible evidence, but because you want to believe they exist. You also want to believe you are one, maybe to shore up flagging self-esteem, who knows. Whatever the reason, it's not rational in nature.
Deny ignorance - don't welcome it with open arms.
You believe in indigo kids not because of any tangible evidence, but because you want to believe they exist. You also want to believe you are one, maybe to shore up flagging self-esteem, who knows. Whatever the reason, it's not rational in nature.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 06:23 AM by Erytiel
reply to post by dave420
No,
I believe in the 'indigo' phenomena because I can remember the place where I came from before here.
I also know why I'm here.
I could give you a list that would confirm our existence.
With just using my own personal experiences.
I cannot make you believe and honestly, I don't want anybody to believe if they cannot accept it.
And really it's in human nature to criticise something that you don't want to understand.
In due time you'll come to the realization that we are, actually, alive.
And until that time comes, I bid you peace and love.
No,
I believe in the 'indigo' phenomena because I can remember the place where I came from before here.
I also know why I'm here.
I could give you a list that would confirm our existence.
With just using my own personal experiences.
I cannot make you believe and honestly, I don't want anybody to believe if they cannot accept it.
And really it's in human nature to criticise something that you don't want to understand.
In due time you'll come to the realization that we are, actually, alive.
And until that time comes, I bid you peace and love.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 07:04 AM by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
I'm sure you *think* you remember where you came from before here. That alone doesn't mean it happened - to think so is being irrational.
Your entire belief in this is based 100% on irrational assumptions.
It's human nature to point out when people are being ridiculous. I could easily accept it if there was any evidence for it at all, but there isn't. It's just a story people believe in to feel special. That's it. Nothing more.
I'm sure you *think* you remember where you came from before here. That alone doesn't mean it happened - to think so is being irrational.
Your entire belief in this is based 100% on irrational assumptions.
It's human nature to point out when people are being ridiculous. I could easily accept it if there was any evidence for it at all, but there isn't. It's just a story people believe in to feel special. That's it. Nothing more.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 07:05 AM by dave420
reply to post by Privy_Princess
Got any evidence for any of those claims at all? What, you don't? How strange!
Seriously - deny ignorance. Even if it means denying something you desperately want to be true.
Got any evidence for any of those claims at all? What, you don't? How strange!
Seriously - deny ignorance. Even if it means denying something you desperately want to be true.
reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 01:36 PM by Privy_Princess
Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Privy_Princess
Got any evidence for any of those claims at all? What, you don't? How strange!
Seriously - deny ignorance. Even if it means denying something you desperately want to be true.
What do you want me to provide evidence for? That there are agencies specifically in search of children with unique abilities?
Have you realized that the forum we are posting in is entitled AboveTopSecret? That means that most of what is said here will have very little in the way of actual documentation? If you are the type to not believe what others say unless you have visual proof, then I don't think you will enjoy your time on this board. I think it is you who should deny ignorance and open up your mind to more possibilities.
Needless to say, it would be incredibly difficult to give proof that these agencies exist. You can choose to believe what you want.
[edit on 14-10-2008 by Privy_Princess]
reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 05:17 AM by Erytiel
Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
I'm sure you *think* you remember where you came from before here. That alone doesn't mean it happened - to think so is being irrational.
Your entire belief in this is based 100% on irrational assumptions.
It's human nature to point out when people are being ridiculous. I could easily accept it if there was any evidence for it at all, but there isn't. It's just a story people believe in to feel special. That's it. Nothing more.
You have yet to be informed of what my judgement is based by.
So how can you be so quick to call it irrational assumptions?
Because it isn't happening to you, you do not believe it?
What else of proof can we give then what we say?
You cannot expect me to levitate something 15 feet from the ground.
What we can do isn't something you can see with you're eyes, for the most part anyway.
Exactly what information do you need to grip this?
To actually understand that it is happening.
The way you're bickering back, pretending like you really know best.
And honestly, it's obvious the human race doesn't know best.
Or it would stop blowing itself up and killing off species for consumption and financial gain.
This is why we have come. To show people what reality really is.
It's not this fabricated world with politics, jobs, money, greed or negativity of any sort.
We're simply the next stage of evolution for man.
I've already sensed you're not going to pick up on this.
Which is why I'm going to cease coercing with you if you're reply is just as close-minded.
If so, peace and love. Enjoy you're time on planet Earth.
reply posted on 15-10-2008 @ 01:00 PM by dave420
reply to post by Privy_Princess
No, if you know these agencies exist, then show me the evidence that demonstrated to you, beyond rational doubt, that they exist. Or otherwise you are just spouting rumours devoid of substance.
reply to post by Erytiel
You are clearly basing your assumptions on something other than actual evidence. That much is clear. I'm not saying it doesn't exist because it's not happening to me. I'm not pregnant but I know pregnancy exists - because it can be demonstrated. I've yet to see anyone demonstrate anything in support of these indigo kids. Nothing.
I'm not being closed-minded, I'm being 'logical'. Just because logic calls out your baseless assertions doesn't mean it's 'closed-minded'.
Get a grip.
No, if you know these agencies exist, then show me the evidence that demonstrated to you, beyond rational doubt, that they exist. Or otherwise you are just spouting rumours devoid of substance.
reply to post by Erytiel
You are clearly basing your assumptions on something other than actual evidence. That much is clear. I'm not saying it doesn't exist because it's not happening to me. I'm not pregnant but I know pregnancy exists - because it can be demonstrated. I've yet to see anyone demonstrate anything in support of these indigo kids. Nothing.
I'm not being closed-minded, I'm being 'logical'. Just because logic calls out your baseless assertions doesn't mean it's 'closed-minded'.
Get a grip.
reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 11:03 AM by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
I can grasp the concept perfectly. It's not difficult. It's simple. I'm not criticising the concept, I'm criticising your stance of believing in it without any evidence (that's the 'ignorance' thing we talked about).
But you still have no evidence to support your claims, hence you are being irrational.
I don't take your message rudely. I'm just in wonder that a person can last so long in this world blindly accepting nonsense for no reason other than making them feel better or special.
Strange.
I can grasp the concept perfectly. It's not difficult. It's simple. I'm not criticising the concept, I'm criticising your stance of believing in it without any evidence (that's the 'ignorance' thing we talked about).
But you still have no evidence to support your claims, hence you are being irrational.
I don't take your message rudely. I'm just in wonder that a person can last so long in this world blindly accepting nonsense for no reason other than making them feel better or special.
Strange.
reply posted on 16-10-2008 @ 03:33 PM by Privy_Princess
reply to post by dave420
Well, being that the last time I was in contact with these kinds of people was during my early childhood, I hardly remember anything about them.
When I was young, I could see auras. It would scare me to see all these different colors eminating from everyone. I would run away from those with dark auras and my parents didn't even know why I just ran away from random people. lol Imagine me as a 2 year old trying to explain to them what my problem was.
Well, my family, from what I'm just starting to find out from various members of my family, has always been connected with the esoteric world. Well, as a child one of my aunts got in contact with this particular agency that was interested in evaluating me and my supposed abilities.
All I know is that there was a man and a woman that showed up (like X files). Middle-aged and they just came to consult me. When they showed up, I denied it. I denied denied denied because I didn't want them to be poking and prodding me like some sort of animal in an experiment. I guess my mom understood and was compassionate because she asked them to leave and I never saw them again.
But I bet if I ask my aunt she would be able to tell me more, but I don't dare bring it up. I don't even think she thinks I remember.
But like I said. No proof. No names or addresses. So it's up to you to believe what you want.
Well, being that the last time I was in contact with these kinds of people was during my early childhood, I hardly remember anything about them.
When I was young, I could see auras. It would scare me to see all these different colors eminating from everyone. I would run away from those with dark auras and my parents didn't even know why I just ran away from random people. lol Imagine me as a 2 year old trying to explain to them what my problem was.
Well, my family, from what I'm just starting to find out from various members of my family, has always been connected with the esoteric world. Well, as a child one of my aunts got in contact with this particular agency that was interested in evaluating me and my supposed abilities.
All I know is that there was a man and a woman that showed up (like X files). Middle-aged and they just came to consult me. When they showed up, I denied it. I denied denied denied because I didn't want them to be poking and prodding me like some sort of animal in an experiment. I guess my mom understood and was compassionate because she asked them to leave and I never saw them again.
But I bet if I ask my aunt she would be able to tell me more, but I don't dare bring it up. I don't even think she thinks I remember.
But like I said. No proof. No names or addresses. So it's up to you to believe what you want.
reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 07:29 AM by Erytiel
Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
I can grasp the concept perfectly. It's not difficult. It's simple. I'm not criticising the concept, I'm criticising your stance of believing in it without any evidence (that's the 'ignorance' thing we talked about).
But you still have no evidence to support your claims, hence you are being irrational.
I don't take your message rudely. I'm just in wonder that a person can last so long in this world blindly accepting nonsense for no reason other than making them feel better or special.
Strange.
You keep saying I have no evidence.
I, unfortunately for your sake, do have evidence.
And i'm quite willing to share everything with you,
just through a U2U.
Sorry, I really don't want other people attacking what I say.
And then getting me to provide 'proof' that it really happened.
Like, what? Am I supposed to walk around with a video camera constantly on record?
Anyway..
That's my offer.
Also, I use a Indigo community website,
that if you like, you could disect and come to your own conclusion.
I do understand I can't force you to believe anything.
It is you're own choice. And I honestly respect that.
Love and Light
reply posted on 17-10-2008 @ 08:23 AM by dave420
reply to post by Erytiel
If you go in a public forum and make claims, you have to expect to be called out. Where is your evidence? If you don't want to share yours, please show us the peer-reviewed paper on Indigo kids, and how they obviously exist.
Otherwise you are being highly irrational. Is that a sign of Indigo kids? That they don't know how to prove their point? Doesn't sound that great to me.
If you go in a public forum and make claims, you have to expect to be called out. Where is your evidence? If you don't want to share yours, please show us the peer-reviewed paper on Indigo kids, and how they obviously exist.
Otherwise you are being highly irrational. Is that a sign of Indigo kids? That they don't know how to prove their point? Doesn't sound that great to me.
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