Indigo Children a hoax

Not to be argumentative but if you look up any of those terms on google you will get reference to almost ALL major religions. While you may think you're being specific it actually is pretty vague.

reply to post by ALightinDarkness

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That's entirely what I was saying as well. The entire concept is based on new-age fundamentalism rather than religious idealism. Because of that, this new age fundamentalist ideaology, from which crystal children derives, is dependant on assumptions. Assumptions about spiritualism, psychic abilities, evolution, and reincarnation. Noone can cite any actual historical facts that back up the concept of crystal children because it is a conglomerate of a bunch of new age assumptions which most people simply won't buy.

But this idea of crystal children has been a huge money-making venture for book writers and just, generally, people who advocate this kind of new-age thinking and profit off of it. It may not literally be organised religion, but it IS organised.. Therefore money is going to exchange hands and people are going to profit. Anyone can simply claim to be an expert on crystal children or the paranormal too. That's why we have so much fraud going on.

-ChriS

So what is supposed to be the idea again?
Just so I am clear Reagans presidency created kids with super powers?
Cool!
Now I know why I loved ronnie so much!
Maybe I need to "re think" my position on McCain...maybe the next generation of kids will have x-ray vision or some such.

reply to post by BlasteR

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I agree completely. Its sad that so many people are scamming so much money out of people making them believe they are "indigo" or "crystalline." Its just snake oil, in my opinion (and thats all the evidence has shown, thus far). Its not a religion but your right I think in that it is verging closely - it has the same sort of scapegoating response when anyone questions the presumptions - take this thread, for example. Anyone who doesn't believe is a "demon worshiper" and has a "devil religion." Sounds just like the Salem witch hunt trials going on, except this time the towns people are the indigo children accusing everyone else who doesn't believe their dogma.

Mysterychicken...thanks, I think I was trying to say the same thing you are but your being far more eloquent about it. When we demonize what we don't agree with, especially when it comes to religion, everyone uses this same kind of language to slander other belief systems. Its not really religion specific - any member of any religion that slanders another will use these same terms against any other belief system - be it Islamic, Christian, whatever. Which is why the indigo mythology, to me, is becoming dangerously close to a cult in and of itself.

I find it funny that you demand the OP reveal himself to not be a "hoax" yet you pull ludicrous claims such as these seemingly out of nowhere, with not one shred of evidence to back it up.

Yet you make the effort to log onto a message board every night and debate the existence of your kind.

reply to post by FrankP

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Actually you're mistaken. I'm just talking about it, because I have experience in this matter. But I'm not here to prove it. It never was my intention. Who is curious about it, it's going to listen for those things what I'm saying. And those ones, whose not, they will not. It's pretty simple. I'm not going to prove anything. I'm not going to debate about this with anyone. If someone is not believing to me, or trying to discrediting me, and / or Indigos and Crystallines, because what I or we experienced is not fitting into his gray and boring world, honestly, I can live with it, because I don't care about it at all. And other Indigos and Crystallines also don't care about it too.

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reply to post by FrankP

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Quite right - to borrow a line I've seen on ATS before:
There are none so blind as those who desperately want to be special.

I think some of this could easily be a money making scam, specifically to sell books and get people go to lectures that cost around $1000 a class.

Another component is the clear presence of personality disorders.

Though I do spend time researching and studying Anomlous Phenomena and Forteana, I am highly critical of anything that might be described as "New Age".

Some people actually believe that Asperger's Syndrome and Schizoid Personalities represent some kind of next step in evolution. I think the concept of Indigo Children is a New Age analog. These type of disorders are a phenomena of modern western society and in my view have nothing to do with evolution.

I am highly skeptical of "Channeling" and so called Spirit guides. Most of the current beliefs in regards to Indigo children come from so called Ascended masters and guides, specifically one that some people call Kryon. I havn't completely decided what people are channeling, their unconscious/subconsious, a collective unconscious, or daimonic forms/archetypes. Regardless, the channelings are often a mix of melodrama, fantasy, and often false prophecy.





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reply to post by MikeboydUS

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No, Mike. Actually we're not making business about it. We don't care about money at all. I hate money. I never loved it. But you're right in one thing. Those ones, whose are writing books, making classes about this matter for money, yes, they're scams and liars. Real Indigos and Crystallines are hate money. If someone is claiming, I can show and teach you channeling, I can connect you with the realms and introduce your spirit guide for money... that's a scam, not one of us. Real ones are not making this at all. Explanation will continue after my answer to ALightinDarkness.

ALightinDarkness

Ahem... funny to hear this from a Jew. As far as I know the Jews, like you want to be special and desperately trying to claim that they're the chosen ones and making money of it. That's the difference between our races. In our eyes, we're not special. In your eyes, yes, and that's the reason why you're trying to discredit us since the beginning. Your kind is claiming, advertising and gathering money with this "we're the chosen people" stuff. Yeah. "Chosen people" with their so called "Hebrew" language, which is "Yvrit" in the reality, a language which is not hebrew at all, with only few hundred fictive words. No one is speaking old hebrew in the reality. Yvrit, the language was fabricated in 1948 to misguide humanity again with your lies.

Real "special" ones don't need to lie. That's the difference between Jews and Crystallines. We don't need to figure out stuffs, such as a fictive language to prove our existence to the world. Actually, we don't making anything, because we don't want to prove our existence.

So, please tell me, who want to be desperately special? The Jews or Crystallines? The first one. Fictive language, fictive history... and the list is long. And that's your problem. You want to be something, special, what you're not and you never will be. In your eyes, Crystallines and Indigos are special and you hate them, but we simply don't care about our so called specialty, which is also bothering you. We might have something what you don't have, we might be something, what you just want to be and that's why you're making this discrediting show since the beginning.

MikeboydUS. Just to continue my upper thoughts, continuing the upper monologue, what I told to ALightinDarkness... Jews are those ones, whose are claiming they're Indigos and Crystallines and making money about it. It's the part of their discrediting campaign. Real ones are never making money about it at all.

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reply to post by Dark Crystalline

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I'm not claiming people who claim to be different are the Snake Oil salesmen. I'm pointing out those who make money off the books and lectures.

Be careful not stereotype Jews. I'm one too. The only Jews I know of trying to make money off their Jewishness are the silly people who sell Madonna and other celebrities silly red strings and other so called Kabalist junk.

I have to disagree with you on Hebrew. Its a very real language and in many ways it is very close to its sister languages of Arabic, Amharic, and Aramaic. In fact if you can speak or understand Hebrew you can understand Aramaic and Arabic. Its kind of like how Spanish and Italian are so close.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

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I have problems with the Zionists and those ones whose are following them blindly. It seems you're not one fanatic Zionist, because you're taking this very easy.

Well. The things what I written about the Hebrew / Yvrit... an Israeli told this to me. Why should she figure out this? She was a tourist guide and she told me that she is guiding the Israeli tourists on Yvrit language and not on Hebrew, because no one is really speaking Hebrew, just Yvrit, because in the matter of fact, Hebrew language is not existing. By the way, in the DVD editions of many movies, where originally was written the language is Hebrew, in this year the next editions came out only with Yvrit language, which is seems to be the same as Hebrew. So, could you tell me what the difference between the Hebrew and the Yvrit is? For me, it seems the same to me and it is just confirming what that Israeli told me, the same what I written above.


As I written above, those ones never was Indigos, nor Crystallines.

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reply to post by Dark Crystalline

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SURE! Some people are not advocates of crystal children for the money-making aspect. But the simple fact that so many people use this kind of new-age fundmentalism as a tool for profit shows exactly how easily someone can come along, read up about this on the internet, write a book which is semi-convincing and make a TON of money off the idea off of these new age topics like crystal children.. It's just ridiculous..

Second, I doubt anyone who has committed such fraud would ever come forward. But you also have to pin part of the blame on people in general, which in turn, read such material in books and magazines, hear about crystal children on the radio, etc.. and wholeheartedly believe it. That itself is pretty scary.. And it shows how willing people are to believe anything that has anything to do with new aged topics, not just crystal children.. It makes money period.

Third, religious affiliation or spiritual beliefs have nothing to do with this. Your remark is simply sickening. Word to the wise..Pick and choose your battles on ATS carefully. I understand your argument, I understand why you brought it up. But don't even bring up the topic of someone else's spiritual beliefs in a negative light because, IMO, as far as religion is concerned, we are not here to judge each other negatively to prove some ridiuclous point. That's just sad.

That being said, all religions/spiritual beliefs are basicaly for-profit enterprises. That isn't an unkown that is simply fact. But with this new aged concept of crystal children, you can have ANYONE come forward claiming to be an expert, and write some new book which people will buy. What I see is, basically, a spiritual fad that was fabricated and based loosely on various religions around the world. At least with religion there is a spiritual belief which has a history behind it that can be traced back to it's origin (at least somewhat). Religions of the world have, for the most part, a deep routed historical signifigance. With crystal/indigo children it is quite different..

The term "indigo children" is not from some ancient historical text or anything of the sort. It originated from a book written in 1982 about auras and other new-aged topics called "Understanding Your Life Through Color" by Nancy Tappe.
Source:
en.wikipedia.org...

This stuff has basically been fabricated by a handful of people who, from the beginning, have used this material for a profit-making venture (almost openly). "Crystal children" is a new aged concept based on new aged fundamentalism which has no historical significance or source other than new aged authors and writers who have somehow convinced many people in the U.S. and elsewhere that this is a very real phenomenon when there is literally no evidence whatsoever to prove it is real. The only thing real about it is that it is used as a profit-making venture by some, it is based on recently fabricated new-aged information by the very people who originaly profited from it, and we are somehow supposed to wholeheartedly believe that it is real...with no proof other than loosely pieced together new-aged mumbo jumbo which is supposed to make sense..

-ChriS

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reply to post by Dark Crystalline

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Modern hebrew has changed since ancient times, but it has changed in the same way other languages have. I mean look at Old English and modern English. Many of the terms and words are the same, but the meaning and usage of those words have changed over time. Modern Hebrew has also assimilated words from other languages, but in the end it is still quite clearly a member of the Semitic language tree.

Shalom, Salam, and Shalam are all still the same, meaning Peace.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

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Actually the Israeli woman told me, that everything what you know was figured out after 1945 to make the Jewish people more mythical to the goyims. Before that no one have ever spoken in Hebrew, because it's simply never existed on that way as you know nowadays as Yvrit or Hebrew (It's existed, but none of the Askhenazi Jews was ever able to learn their meaning. Hence, they wasn't able to speak on it at all.). I'm wondering why she said this. And she was completely convinced about her right. She learned this back in Israel.

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reply to post by BlasteR

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Wiki... great source. It's claiming Crystallines and Indigos, as terms are existing since 1982. So..... How is it possible that they were hunted all around the world in the 17th century? I'm really curious about this. I need to admit that Wiki is a great source of forged history.

There are many terms for Crystallines, Indigos, Star Children. Crystallines are also called as Táltos in Hungary (Crystalline and Indigo is the other term for them, depending from few things which is the one that they're using.), and that term is also more then two thousand years old. Is it a new age agenda? Definitely not. Wiki says that Táltos are Shamans. Yeah. Sure. Those ones whose are serving the angels are never was shamans. Táltos is meaning Open / Wide Conscious and not Wide Unconsciousness as wiki stating. That's all about wiki. Don't look wiki if you want valid information.

reply to post by FrankP

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No, these "ludicrous claims" do not just appear out of thin air. That could be the fault of the other guy for not exlaining where he was coming from though.
If you had researched this subject of indigo children and how exactly this all started happening, as well as some of these indigo identities themselves, instead of just calling these kids "spoilt special brats" (not directed at you personally), you would probably have more of an idea of these claims.

Take, for example Boriska Kipryanovich of Russia. He has spoken of previous lives on Mars - about the Martian civilisation, about meglith-cities and Martian spaceships, about flights to other planets, and about the country of Lemuria on Earth, the life of which he knew about personally, having at some point flown here from Mars to this huge continent in the middle of the ocean and where he had friends... And he was speaking of these things when he was practically in day-care.

Now there is no doubt that this kid is extremely gifted with a high intellectual capacity and has somewhat unusual brain development - how many babies do you know of who could hold their head up at 15 days, begin to talk and make sentences at four months, read heavy newspaper type at one and a half years old and draw and paint in a variety of hues at two and a half...??
He also has a phenomenal memory, often picking up information from nowhere in particular - he somehow got into the habit of sitting in the lotus position.
The way he casts such pearls and details of Mars, the planetary systems and other civilisations has been described as sounding


Space and the cosmic subjects in his stories - these were the constant topics from when he was two.

Nexus magazine Australia recently published a story about Boriska and here is a snippet of what was included:



IMHO, i personally doubt Boriska's story is a sham, which in turn poses a larger question in my mind, "What are the implications if what he is saying is actually for real??"
I have also read of the history of Mars civilisation and culture and "loss of atmosphere" from other sources that use remote viewing as a means of research.
Now this isn't "proof" that he's not making it all up, my basic point is that these "ludicrous claims" did not come out of "nowhere".

reply to post by Dark Crystalline

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There may very well be "gifted" people all over the world with very real abilities.. I'm not arguing that.

The point is that suddenly just since the nineteen eighties people claim to know so much about these new aged topics when it is all fabricated conjecture. Suddenly they link everything together into one big fabricated lie. Reincarnation, evolution, auras, all of this stuff is just new aged bunk which people have, for some reason or another, linked all together into some pretty far-out theory about crystal children, what they are, why they are here, what it all means, etc..

They fail to consider these possiblilities
-that we all may be gifted from the very beginning and not know it (meaning that crystal children may not be related to some new-aged reincarnation/evolution concept, but the simple nature of the soul.
-that children might just be more "sensitive" because children are more open to said phenomenon from birth due to the natural development of the human brain.

There are so many other possibilities. So why do people just believe all this junk about crystal children? IMO, it is mainly because people are more willing to believe in such topics these days because of the explosion of books and literature about these new aged topcis since the eighties. It is, largely, a new-aged fad in which anything goes and anything, no matter how outlandish, can easily be believed with no shred of proof...

Just because people were hunted down in the "17th Century" proves nothing about crystal children. I imagine many people throughout history have had to keep their abilities private for a variety of reasons. These people could very well have had very real psychic abilities even. But how this is all supposed to be linked in some big theoretical new-aged world view when there is no proof doesn't really make sense..

-ChriS

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I myself and a Pisces and I sometimes wonder if Im psychic because I every once in a while pick up peoples thoughts and different traits about them just through conversations.

Not saying its proof Im psychic, just that Im not spoiled and sorta falling into that category of "Indigo." Im very spiritually inclined, but I dont let one thing run my whole mental atmosphere.

reply to post by BlasteR

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Actually we're considering these facts, but somehow regardless that we're writing it down, everyone is somehow skipping these lines with their eyes, which are telling these theories from Crystallines and Indigos. And in this case, I'm usually asking from everyone; you're directly trying to discrediting us, or you simply cannot read? I'm not asking this from you now, because I guess you not read the previous pages. But it's there somewhere.

So... we cannot answer many things too, why this and why that happened. And we're taking up the same questions too sometimes. I also written the same few pages ago. These skills are almost in everyone (The skills are depending from few things), but the essence is, do you able to use these skills right now or not. Those ones, whose suddenly learnt these skills without any help, by their own around between age of 2-20, those are Indigos and Crystallines. So, please don't mystify us for something, please, which is also in almost everyone, but by some reasons you cannot use it.
A hint to awake these skills: Listen classic music. That helps.



After everything is connected in the universe, it's hard to not notice the connection in everything. Honestly, it's not our problem that you or others cannot see. Life and existence is not a lie. It never was. Denying life, existence, regardless in which matter, and calling it as a lie... that's simple ignorance or willful mystification. Which one are you?


I'm not going to deny my own life, because some people believing our existence, our skills are a fairy tale. Life is not based on believing.


I'm not going to proof you that I'm living. Believe it or not, we don't care about it.