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reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 07:57 PM by Zeus187
reply to post by MemoryShock


thank you MemoryShock, I was wanting to say something like that myself but couldnt quite find the words...

as great as a personal duel is, i am more interested in the topic itself and how it applies to all our other web activities we take part in...

there is overwhelming evidence which supports the FACT that governments are monitoring and analyzing pretty much every aspect of our daily lives...


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 08:06 PM by Evisscerator
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by roadgravel


Yes. But you still have to learn it just like I did. Just because you are 20 yrs. older than me doesn't take out the fact that I can learn it just like you did.


True, but you won't learn the same things I did and those things on top of the newest things still puts you well behind me knowledgewise, particularly in a day when "Certifications" did not exist.

My point was that anyone getting "Certifications" honestly knows very little. There is so much more that one needs to know that cannot be had from a book or a test or a class.

Perhaps when you are my age and have worked in the industry as long as I have, you will have the same view looking back. I would just about bet that you will.


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 08:45 PM by zorgon
reply to post by Zeus187


Here is an old thread with a list of keywords from NSA Echelon in 2003

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wowsers off topic to ask to share info? Now ya got me dander up


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 08:50 PM by jhill76
reply to post by Evisscerator


But I see your point, but that is not the fact here. I didn't just take a test. I know the material. Your argument would hold weight if in fact I did just that, but this is not the case. I have the real world experince, I didn't decide hey I can't do nothing else in life so I'll try out this computer book. No, I grew up on the computer.

What is your stance here. You came at me talking about I don't have the experince to know what I am talking about. This doesn't even have anything to do with the thread. Please stay on topic. If you feel bad, start a thread on I dislike people with certifications that are not my age.


[edit on 27-5-2008 by jhill76]


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 09:31 PM by ADVISOR
reply to post by PokeyJoe


Originally posted by PokeyJoe




Once again, I am going to have to challenge what you are saying. The gov't holds information security above everything else, and to allow someone who is not holding the proper clearance to operate equipment or gain access to a network that is classified should result in the least an inspection by the IG, and at the worst a court marshal. You seem to think this kind of thing is funny, or ok....well I dont.

How about you go to anyone where you work or go to a scif nearby and try to gain access without the proper clearance....see what happens to you.


I don't know who you think is finding anything funny, but if the government really held security above "any thing" else, then 9/11 would never of happened, Pearl Harbor never would of happened, Oklahoma never would of happened, and counless events the government had a part in, both directly and indirectly.

You can challenge every thing, but this is from my account, seen with my eyes, the government, and the especially the people running it, are not perfect and the system doesn't always work.

Ok going to work with you here, I'm not a clerk or computer soldier. The computers we sign into, are "DOIM" based, which is a software type and that is all I know about it.

Yes, the rules say every one who uses classified systems should have a clearance, but they don't always have them. For example, some Military Occupational Specialties/MOS just don't need a clearence, like the one guy I mentioned. His job doesn't involve any thing that sensitive. Yet he still has access to a secret system, a part of his job requires he have to use the computer. He might have a "pending" clearance, but having it granted takes time.

As for gaining access to a SCIF, so long as the container is approved, any place can be used to store the info. Heck we used conexs to store secure containers while traveling to and from Iraq, just a steel box, nothing special.

The system is not as perfect as every one wishes it was. That is why bad things happen, and will continue to happen. Because some time, one of those not so perfect systems are going to fail.



reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 09:50 PM by Evisscerator
reply to post by jhill76


I found your tag line when I started reading your posts here, hidiously funny.
That's all. I think my original post gave you credit that you deserved without trying to trivialize the topic. I just trivialized your certifications instead.

Muuuuuhahahahaha !


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 09:52 PM by ADVISOR
reply to post by zorgon


I didn't know, because I never did a search or asked about it. My comment stays the same, not every one useing the system has a clearance. It might be pending, but they have no actual clearance, yet are still useing the computer.

Look, useing the computers is not in my job description, I'm not the tech guy, I didn't even know what a thumbdrive was until reenlisting ok, yes I know. Damn, where did that guy grow up under rock, but I'm serious.

Not trying to make this difficult, just explaining things from my perspective.
People keep saying it is a have to, or must, need, but not every one useing government computers have a dang clearance.



reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 11:19 PM by zorgon
reply to post by ADVISOR


Are you trying to tell me there are ordinary folkes working in government offices

And not to worry about the rock... I know many good people with the same origin


reply posted on 27-5-2008 @ 11:29 PM by Zeus187
reply to post by zorgon


Shot Zorgon!!!

That was exactly the list i was looking for!!!
I had it in a magazine, and the dude was saying he attaches it to all his emails...
just to mess with them...

im about to do the same sort of thing.... We all should!!

hahaha

am i crazy?? potentially drawing their attention to me??

I dont think so... i dont really care all that much if they are keeping tabs on me after all, im keeping a close eye on them too!!

Cheers again for the list
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