George W. Bush's Presidency was Outrageously Successful! Don't call him inept or stupid!

Originally posted by Alxandro
Can someone please explain this to me?

OK, for those that are a little slow, George W. Bush was nothing but a face that was a front for PNAC. That means A Project for a New American Century. If you don't know what that is, then click on this link.

Due to your lack of understanding of modern politics, I will also provide the following link for those like you that are special.

MOVE THE MOUSE ARROW AND PRESS BUTTON ON THE LAST LINE.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ah yes Bush. The uniter. The divider. The decider. The master of the english language and speech. Well they did tail back on the use of white phosphorous. Bravo!
I love Shrub. I just want to hug him gently in my arms and rock him. I had every intention of deep sixing this thread on edit. Not going to.

[edit on 5/26/2008 by jpm1602]

Originally posted by Herbal Oli
yeah Monitor no problem....

you seem to be missing the fact the bush and his co-horts would really like to annihiliate all of china and pretty much every muslim on this planet, mmm i think thats what about 2 billion + people....

dont forget, Bush and McCain and all the others....REALLY REALLY want to press that red button titled "destroy the east/middle east"

so yeah....

Hitler killed lots of Jews yeah, but he killed more russians and slavs, gays, gypsies, yeah lots of people.... but Bush? to me he IS Hitler re-incarnate....and this prick wants the whole planet.

Really? Bush wants to kill every Chinese and every muslim? Prove that.

You have once again proven your immaturity and inability to converse rationally. Once you graduate high school and can think like an adult feel free to come back and try to converse with me.

[edit on 26-5-2008 by US Monitor]

President Bush and Vice President Cheney have done well serving their constituency.

The rest of us have been bent over a counter and raped.

Until all of us work to overthrow the Ivy League elitists, we'll continue to get bent over.

Grim

Originally posted by bigbert81
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

 

Bush is a stupid POS. I suggest you read some of the threads here on ATS regarding this piece of dog crap we call our President.

First, I disagree with your comments about Bush being a "POS" and "dog crap." Your comments are completey unfair and baselessly denegrate fecal matter.

While Bush does not come across as the most learned man in the world, he and his cronies did accomplish their goal of enriching themselves. It takes some modicum of intelligence to make billions of dollars, even if you make that money by deceit and fraud.

as an outsider looking in, i think many people give Bush far too much credit. he isnt the shapest tool in the shed and he only has a shelf life of .. 3-4 terms or something like that.

Id be more concerned about the cabal standing behind him pulling his strings because if McCain gets in he will be the new puppet willingly offering himself up.

If a democrat gains power then i suspect they have a plan B to manipulate him/her also.

from what ive seen of Bush, he appears to be a rather genuine, friendly straight talking person, id even go so far as to say likeable.

But he is easily manipulated by those he trusts to make the decisions on issues he doesnt fully understand.

as to splitting hairs on 100,000 or 1 million dead either amount is far too high a price to pay for oil, 1 death is too much let alone 100,000. but i think the point is made that the decision to invade Iraq has cost many innocent people their lives regardless of the final total and attacking the point over wether its 100,000 or 1 million is irrelevant and debases the value of human life.

its a travesty that our cars now run on blood.

Originally posted by Hal9000

Originally posted by Alxandro
Can someone please explain this to me?

OK, for those that are a little slow, George W. Bush was nothing but a face that was a front for PNAC. That means A Project for a New American Century. If you don't know what that is, then click on this link.

Due to your lack of understanding of modern politics, I will also provide the following link for those like you that are special.

MOVE THE MOUSE ARROW AND PRESS BUTTON ON THE LAST LINE.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ok, thanks for the info but you still didn't answer my question, in fact you kinda almost proove my point.

What I was referring to actually has nothing at all to do with politics because I was referring to the human element that's responsible for the likable factor of both Bush and Obama.

Why is it that some people are so willing to accept anti Bush opinions and wiki articles as truth (as evident by some of these posts), while chasitising those that point out the facts concerning Obama and treat these as attacks?

I'm just trying to understand the human element that makes up a person's psyche and how this determines whether a person, as a whole, will be either hated or embraced.

This in turn will determine whether we choose to accept that persons politics, or not.

I agree with the above folks - with certain exceptions.
The Office of the Presidency pays $400K a year. GW spent
what .. ? Divided by 8 yrs. hell he over paid...
The Witch is too.
I bet he goes to Saudi Arabia and gets his money back in a twenty minute speech like Regan did in Japan. lets not forget, the Queen will reward him hansomely for his Betrayal of all of us commoners.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Ok, thanks for the info but you still didn't answer my question, in fact you kinda almost proove my point.

What I was referring to actually has nothing at all to do with politics because I was referring to the human element that's responsible for the likable factor of both Bush and Obama.

First I apologize for the previous childish post. I guess I was just in a mood at that time. To answer your question, for me the next election is more a vote against the republicans due to being mislead into the Iraq war and knowing that it was a real conspiracy involving the PNAC group. I think that politicians should do what they can to keep us from going to war instead of conspiring and misleading us into one. I think I read that somewhere.

I was asking a similar question back during the previous presidential election. How can any even consider re-electing GB? If you recall he promised to ban gay marriage by a constitutional amendment and got all the Evangelicals fired up. Their pastors told them to vote for him, without any other considerations. Even though Bush never came through with this campaign promise, it was a brilliant move on their part, and its funny how all of a sudden gay marriage is back in the picture with California ruling it unconstitutional. Now I am just waiting for McCain to promise to ban it. Coincidence?

Why is it that some people are so willing to accept anti Bush opinions and wiki articles as truth (as evident by some of these posts), while chasitising those that point out the facts concerning Obama and treat these as attacks?

Because we are now smarter and see the tactics being used. Swiftboat anyone? The attacks as you say are probably exaggerated, so why bother taking them as being true? After being told enough lies, eventually we don't believe what is being spoon fed to us.

I'm just trying to understand the human element that makes up a person's psyche and how this determines whether a person, as a whole, will be either hated or embraced.

This in turn will determine whether we choose to accept that persons politics, or not.

People are ready for change and someone like Obama represents change. Even if he did share some anti-american onions of his ex-pastor. Some agree with this opinion to a point. The way I see it is, how bad could he be after what we have had for the last 8 years? Even if he held this opinion, how would that affect decisions on the Iraq war? How would it affect anything in foreign policy? These are the issues that concern me, so I think the choice is clear.

[edit on 5/27/2008 by Hal9000]

reply to post by WhatTheory


I understand that the total number of people killed by violent acts of this war, whether by coalition hands or by insurgents, is hovering just under the 100k mark. However, you are not taking into consideration ALL of the deaths that have occured due to this illegal invasion. Healthcare has fallen apart, sanitary sources have been destroyed and were virtually unavailable for the first couple years or more, food sources were tainted, and on and on and on. Let alone all of the radiation being left behind by the bombs and enriched rounds being used by the soldiers.

I'm afraid my friend that the total number of casualties due to this war is going to far exceed the million mark if it has not already.

You have to ask yourself this. If we had not invaded this country, which had NO WMDs, which had NOT attacked us, how many innocent civilians would have died from unnatural causes over the past 5 years? You would have to assume that it would have been on par with what the figures were for the previous 5 years.

I don't want to admit that our own country is responsible for the deaths of so many innocent people but the writing is on the wall. When an administration changes their reasons for attacking a country 3 times in as many years simply to try and spin it to the best possible outcome I have to begin to believe the worse of that administration. It's all about psychology. And these people are master's when it comes to psychology. They know that if people are told over and over and over that something is a fact that most people will buy it as such.

That's where the propaganda is. The government as a whole has been caught red handed many times over in the past and present and yet they keep changing history to try and make themselves out to be the good guys. People are catching on and eventually it is going to cause the general population to fight back. Hopefully not violently but something is going to happen.

Success is determinded by how he served the nation and it people. Not by the debt or by how secrative his adminisration operated. We are brainwashed into believing how evil socialism is. It seems to be alive and well, its only to be used by his "base". Thats the people who make his decisions for him and tell him what needs to be done. This country is in dire need of leadership instead we've accepted a marionette. So as you pat him on the back for a job well done. At what cost ? And at whose expense ?

Originally posted by dariousg
reply to post by WhatTheory

 

I understand that the total number of people killed by violent acts of this war, whether by coalition hands or by insurgents, is hovering just under the 100k mark. However, you are not taking into consideration ALL of the deaths that have occured due to this illegal invasion. Healthcare has fallen apart, sanitary sources have been destroyed and were virtually unavailable for the first couple years or more, food sources were tainted, and on and on and on. Let alone all of the radiation being left behind by the bombs and enriched rounds being used by the soldiers.

Yes very good point here in your first paragraph. What your in essence trying to say is the 'official' death poll may be around 100,000. But if the Americans hadn't of launched the war in the first place then there would still be a million more iraqies.

This is very true, and I believe its esoteric agenda that covers this, but in the first gulf war the first thing the Americans did was destroy all means of food production and distribution. Once a country is starving its alot easier to destroy, or really you can leave it to destroy itself. Though each death to malnutrition did not include an American bullet to the brain, it was still a death because of Americans.

People need to quit following official death polls, cause they are for the most part conservative, and they only count people actually shot/bombed/killed directly by US military and not indirectly.

If you need another example, look at the official death toll of American soldiers hovering around 5000, thats the DIRECT death toll, yet if you look at TOTAL military deaths including indirect deaths (ie. suicides ALONE) the number of military men dying each year FAR exceeds what they claim.


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[edit on 17-10-2008 by king9072]

Look, I was a republican (note: WAS)..... But I'm not anymore.......So are you a demoncrat #%&$ no........... I'm now a Constitutionalist and who ever follows that has my vote!..........I think Bush has forgotten what he said he stood for....................

The OP has made an "Epic Troll" I salute you Sir.