Originally posted by double_frick
Originally posted by Messenger74
I would also like to caution people when referring to a "rapture." Remember, the Rapture came from a young girl who had a dream in the 1800s, and a
bunch of over-zealous people took that dream and spread the word until it became doctrine. Before that time, there was no such thing as a
"rapture," and it's not even talked about in the scriptures.
In fact, the scriptures describe something entirely different.
i'm a bit rusty on my scripture memory, please enlighten on your view of the rapture!
and also, can one be christian without believing you are?? in your previous post did you say something about 11:11 being a wake-up? or were you just
talking about its time for christians to wake up? because i refuse the title of christian in its current meaning and i see 11:11 all the time.
i'm not sure what it means yet, i do like this sereda's view on it, if only for wishful thinking!
but i do believe it is *something* don't know what though. at first i thought it was a catalyst for waking those up who are "ready" but i
still see it quite a bit...so i wonder if there is more to it. i do know that it WAS a big catalyst for me, at least. and now 11:11 is only one of the
many signs i get to tune in...so thats what it means for me, right now. to tune in and listen to your Self in that moment.
I am a bit ill prepared to answer the question about what exactly the bible says about what will happen, but I do know that nothing is mentioned about
rapture. It does say the Christ will return like a "thief in the night."
It does NOT say that all the saints are going to go up to heaven or whatever and be saved from the tribulations that are prophesied in Revelation, and
in other books of the bible (Revelation is not the only place that speaks of the "end times").
You said you refuse the title of Christian in it's "current meaning." I'm not sure what you mean by that, exactly. To be Christian has never
changed in it's definition... even though many people have tried.
To be Christian means that you believe Christ in the Son of God, and that through Him we may enter the Kingdom of God. It doesn't mean you belong to
any one particular church. I know I don't. So many have pieces of the truth, but none have all the truth.
But this isn't the place for that discussion. My profile has my email if you're interested in talking with me personally.
I believe that 11:11 is a wake up call to all, not just Christians. If I said anything that indicated that, I didn't mean to. I believe it means
it's time, that's all. This isn't the first time Earth has approached a cataclysmic event. The Great Deluge (Noah's flood) was the last time,
and (according to the scriptures) the people were warned then as well. Only, they were all wiped out. This time, it's not suppose to be a clean
start, but it won't be pretty.
And it doesn't mean Christ is returning yet. There are still many things that must happen.
Eventually, I'll post everything I feel I know will happen in a threat here somewhere, but suffice it to say that the world governments will change
as well. They'll be forced to in order to prevent mass panic. Martial Law will more than likely be declared in many countries and will follow with
dictatorships where there is currently freedom.
For the United States, September 11, 2001 was a warning from God, to turn back to Him and be righteous. It was the same warning given to Jerusalem
around 580 B.C., and when it was ignored, Jerusalem was destroyed and taken by Syria around 600 B.C. (not sure of exact dates off the top of my head).
Hurricane Katrina was another warning, and likely a glimpse of how things will be for the first few months after 2012.
Just like the Jews ignored God's warning in the bible, the United States will suffer, and rulership will ensue.