The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry

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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by cutbothways
No conspiracy here.

Nice of the forum moderator to be unbiased though, isn't it?


SF isn't a mod of this forum. I guess you've never noticed this at the bottom of every page

"This thread is in a forum moderated by: GAOTU789

And in case you're wondering, Mirthful Me is a Mason although, again, not a mod of this forum.
HTH


Pick, pick, pick.

You cleave on little.

GAOTU789 is a mason.

Mirthful Me is one of the "three amigos", or founders of this forum, correct me if I'm wrong.

And since this is the largest conspiracy forum on the internet by a long shot, I would suggest the instillation of mason moderators/shadow knights is no accident.


So 1 of 16 moderators is a Mason? And you accuse ME of cleaving on little? Whether MM is one of the founders of the forum is neither here nor there to the present unless you're going to by extrapolation assert that the SS forum is in fact inherently pro-Masonic.

And one of the mods can correct me if I'm wrong but I'd expect that if one of them were getting out of line or balance with their posting, they'd be subject to correction up to having their mod status removed. Most forums worth the name don't hand out mod status like Pez and those with it have typically shown themselves worthy of the title.

If by your last line you're suggesting that ATS is actually Masonically run, to quote a B. Bunny "It is to laugh".




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:08 AM
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reply to post by Road Warrior 31
 


I actually believe in real conspiracies and have been involved in posting about here for a long time now.

Its good to keep an open-mind...but not so open that your brains fall out.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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reply to post by Fitzgibbon
 


Actually Mirthful me is not one of the 3 amigos (as far as I know).

Whats more, when Forums are assigned for Moderators, we normaly dont get the Forums we have a bias about.


And to wrap it up (cutbothways, attention please): The topic of this thread is not "Who are the ATS staff" but "Conspiracy against Freemasonry".



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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I think me and the other masons on ATS can come to the conclusion that no matter what we say about our benevolent fraternity, we will not change the minds of Chad and cutbothways. It's a shame that they cannot be as open-minded as they first where when they started reading about the anti-Masonic information on the internet and take a different view point and not be so biased.

They will keep posting the same false info if they have to and they know better then a freemason without even being a mason. It’s a shame that none of our posts and words have an effect on them. Even other people on ATS are coming to the actualization of what the fraternity is all about, and can clearly see how we are indeed not an "evil" group as some like to portray.

I will still continue to tell the truth and provide as much info as I can that can benefit this quarrel between truth and absurdity



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by bushidomason
I think me and the other masons on ATS can come to the conclusion that no matter what we say about our benevolent fraternity, we will not change the minds of Chad and cutbothways.


Since we're talking about conspiracies against Masons:

I noticed that those 2 guys registered at about the same time. Any chance they are the same person?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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That could be very true. I will still give them the benefit for the time being that they are "separate" entity's haha

But yes I do not seeing there views of masonry, changing anytime soon as they’re beliefs are set in stone.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its funny how the main theme here is a Conspiracy waged by Freemasons against freedom, liberation and enlightenment. Because in actual fact, its just the other way around.

Basically every form of Tyranny opposed freemasonry...from religious inquisitions to the nazis to communism.


If I was a tyrant looking to distance myself from the masons what better way than a choreographed campaign of intolerance. Call me crazy but a two party system that opposes each other on the surface is less open to people trying to establish that they are connected by a greater force. I doubt anyone who mattered on the masons side at the time of any great call against them would have been persecuted due to the secrecy of their orginisation.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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When in "conspiracy-thinking-mode" I actually consider stuff like that once in awhile. Interesting to ponder.

But when I look at the 50 000 masons and millions of jews killed due to less-than-proven conspiracy-theories I get back to "keeping it real".



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by cutbothways
Mirthful Me is one of the "three amigos", or founders of this forum, correct me if I'm wrong.


You're wrong.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
But when I look at the 50 000 masons and millions of jews killed due to less-than-proven conspiracy-theories I get back to "keeping it real".


That's the most sensible thing I've ever read on any part of this forum in the 4+ years I've been a member.

In any event, there does seem to be a coordinated effort by "cutsbothways" (aka stormpk) and the sock puppets he has created in the last few weeks to disrupt the forum and attack Masons. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anything new, just the same arguments that have been rehashed over and over here.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Dont worry about it. Staff is aware of sock-puppets. Being banned doesnt mean you dont get a second chance.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by JustMe74
 


Dont worry about it. Staff is aware of sock-puppets. Being banned doesnt mean you dont get a second chance.
Um, why not? Doesn't coming back under a different name simply fall under the bit against having multiple accounts? Or are multiple accounts OK so long as they don't interact with each other?



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 10:59 AM
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And to everyone who says I am not interested in their "truth", or dont know what Im talking about, I have read the following anti-masonic books (among others):

William Schoebelen / Interview with a Vampire

Miller-Starr / Occult Theocracy

Nesta Webster / Secret Societies and Subversive Movements

van Helsing / Secret Societies and their Power in the 21st Century

David Icke / Children of the Matrix

Jim Shaw / The Deadly Deception


Thats right, Ive actually read all of these books. If you dont believe me, I can quote from any of them within minutes.

The William Schoebelen books are pure fabrication ("I was a blood drinking masonic vampire").

The Miller-Starr book is not too bad, and the Nesta Webster book is not too bad either...it was written at a time when authoring a book still required citing some sources...but its heavily biased in seeing everything as a "socialist conspiracy".


The van Helsing book is nothing more than a copy of many other books "exposing freemasonry". The guy did not do one iota of research himself but presents himself as "The man who uncovered the truth of the world for his readers". Not to mention him then going into the theory of the Nazis having UFOs in the Antarctic who will soon return to take back the world from "them evil jews"


The David Icke book is an entertaining read but it tries to mix everything and make connections from everything to everything where there are none. Besides that its full of libel, (calling anyone in a position of authority or disagrees with him a pedophile or satanist) and slander, puffed up with the reptilian-extraterrestrials concept.

According to Icke I am supposed to believe that EVERY lodge has, in its middle, a door-in-the-floor that leads to a tunnel which leads to the center of the hollow earth. Well...I checked in my lodge, excited to find an entrance to the hollow earth, but such a door was nowhere to be found.

The Jim Shaw book "The Deadly Deception" at first looks interesting...until you notice that the way the guy is describing masonic business, he must be lying out of his teeth.

So why write these books? Because they can make you rich. Because its fun to make up stories. Because its easy to just copy what someone else wrote and add some of your own stuff to it.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Um, why not? Doesn't coming back under a different name simply fall under the bit against having multiple accounts? Or are multiple accounts OK so long as they don't interact with each other?


As long as its not abused ("talking to yourself") its tolerated.

[edit on 1-5-2008 by Skyfloating]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:26 AM
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Just wanted to say thanks very much to everyone for the answers tomy questions, looks like i've got some reading up to do!...



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Greetings.

I'm going to reach out and see what I "see." I see that most Masons really do believe they are "doing good." But at the core, deeply hidden are ones who have manipulation at heart.

They revel in their secrecy.

This is what I pick up from the Consciousness dimension. (Questions about my ability may be answered and can be asked here: www.abovetopsecret.com... )



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
Greetings.

I'm going to reach out and see what I "see." I see that most Masons really do believe they are "doing good." But at the core, deeply hidden are ones who have manipulation at heart.

They revel in their secrecy.

This is what I pick up from the Consciousness dimension. (Questions about my ability may be answered and can be asked here: www.abovetopsecret.com... )


No I think you're just on a crossed wire, there is nothing to support your consciousness on that one.

This post outlines quite simply why this cannot be a possible scenario given the structure under which Freemasonry operates

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The thread on a whole is worth reading, as it demonstrates, that when challenged those who post such outlandish, ill-educated claims are unable to support them. It also demonstrates that on the whole they have not endeavoured to form an opinion they have simply accepted someone elses.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think your consciousness can only have been reading their minds, not accessing any higher awareness. Not to worry better luck next time.



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
But at the core, deeply hidden are ones who have manipulation at heart.


Why would you say that? How do you know that? Do you have their names?




This is what I pick up from the Consciousness dimension. (Questions about my ability may be answered and can be asked here: www.abovetopsecret.com... )


Oh Ok. Never mind.




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Heh. Just saying what I "see." Take it or leave it.

[shrug]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
Heh. Just saying what I "see." Take it or leave it.

[shrug]


They'd rather "leave" anything that doesn't make Masonry sound awesome. But not too awesome, of course ... anytime people talk about what happens behind closed doors with blacked-out windows at lodges, the ATS Masons always say, "oh, we're just planning our next pancake breakfast."





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