The very real conspiracy against Freemasonry, page 3


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reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 07:27 AM by lost in the midwest
reply to post by freight tomsen



You are truly the only person I know that can take 2+2 and make it equal 5.99999. Each time you ramble on and make conections that make no sense to the normal person, the value of what you say drops greatly. If you can produce some decent research to prove your points, then someone might leason to you. So far all I see from you is a buch of dust and smoke. Do you make these statments just to hear yourself talk?



reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 07:52 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Cythraul



Just to add, so there is no misunderstanding by the humourless stiffs frequenting these pages:

At our initiation we kiss the "VSL" (Volume of the Sacred Law), which is a Bible...

...but symbolically representative of "a belief in a supreme being" and not necessarily an indicator of having to be a member of a certain religion.



[edit on 1-5-2008 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 08:15 AM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Vector J
I aplogise if this has already been covered, but what would be the point of an anti-Mason conspiracy? What possible benefit to these supposed 'anti-Mason's' could there be? If Mason's are indeed a bunch of lovely chaps do great and charitable works for the good of society, what do these anti-Mason's get out of their conspiracy, which as a reminder, is 'a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act'?...


Those are excellent questions. A look at the history of Freemasonry will answer them.

There are several famous anti-Masonic conspiracies. One that has gotten a lot of attention here on ATS concerns the Illuminati, which was a quasi-Masonic rite that was formed in Bavaria in 1776.

The founders of the Illuminati wanted to promote Enlightenment ideals, guarantee equal rights fro women, separate church and state, and institute freedom of speech. These ideas were met harshly by the Bavarian government, who ruled in a religious dictatorship. So they conspired to defame the Illuminati, knowing that if they could make the people afraid of them, the Illuminati could not get the popular support they needed. They were more or less successful in their propaganda campaign, and even today, a couple of centuries later, many (though not all) anti-Masons still fall for the "Illuminati conspiracy" scam.

Another famous anti-Masonic conspiracy comes directly from the Vatican, through various papal bulls, and most notably, Leo XIII's "Humanum Genus", which I recommend you read, along with its rebuttal, "A REsponse To Humanum Genus" by Brother Albert Pike. Incredibly, Pope Leo condemns Freemasons for standing up for individual rights and freedom of religion.


reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 08:19 AM by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by SantaClaus
You're then, a true man amongst your people, and I hope your kind is not the exception.


Much as I'd like to puff-up my breast and get all cocky, the simple fact is that I'm a very average and typical man both among men at large and Masons in particular and far from exceptional.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
I honestly, think that most anti-masons are against masons simply because they know very little. Probably the same reason voters aren't voting for Ron Paul (nyuk nyuk nyuk). God I am bad at puns.


In society today, it's much easier and more deliciously fun to believe the worst about people. Why? Because it gives the teller a usually unwarranted presumed superiority over the 'evil' individual or group. The simple fact is that it's bad news we pay the most attention to: dog bites man is much more engaging than dog licks man's hand (even though the latter is far more prevalent than the former).

Originally posted by SantaClaus
Anyway, your response satiates what I was trying to get, so I won't argue any of it. I still don't agree with the whole oddly ritualistic (I may be hearing a tall tale, I'll admit) aspect of the group, as it is secrecy for the sake of being secret, but you're obviously a sane minded individual.


Any ritual viewed from an uninformed perspective is off-putting and can be characterised as odd. Tell me that any Catholic or Anglican or just about any religion's rituals can't be viewed through the same filter. In fact, every human interaction is ritualistic to one degree or another. Take the act of shaking hands when introducing one's self. Why that ritual? To prove no weapon was being secreted. Do we worry about that now? No. Yet still we do it. Why? It's a ritual.

As for the "sane minded" comment, don't get ahead of yourself.
Wouldn't want to disappoint a certain demographic.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
Therefore I must concede to my defeat and say that I will more thoroughly study the culture(?) before I question it again.


Reasoned study from a reasoned mind is never something to be feared.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
I never thought you were evil, I just think that sometimes there are single entities of every staple in life that ruin things for the entire population. Catholic church anyone? I am a former member of that and I still don't recall it as "evil." Lets get logical.


Any statistically identifiable group is bound to have individuals that bring discredit to the group as a whole. However, tarring the entire group as having the same traits as the individual just isn't on and any cool-headed, rational review would show this to be the case. It's when the brain goes 'hot' that we get the likes of "The Troubles" or Freedom Fries or insert-your-favourite-illogical-group-against-group-fracas-here. In my Lodge among the officers in line right now, our Senior Warden's black, our Senior Deacon Sikh, our Junior Deacon and Inner Guard Catholic, I'm Anglican and the brethren are a mixed bag of races and religions. Yet we all get along pulling for the betterment of ourselves and society at large as well as rendering us more worthy to the Supreme Deity whom we as Catholics or Sikhs or Anglicans or what-have-you understand him.

This is a bad thing?

Originally posted by SantaClaus
On to the illuminati, those might be harder to find.

PS. I'm using one of your lines in some music, please U2U me to ask that I don't, I just thought it was poetic.


Knock yourself out. I'm at a loss to think of anything I've ever written as poetic but far be it for me to interfere with art.


reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 08:34 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by cutbothways



The kind people in history who have been trying to bring down masons...

...not suspicious at all?


reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 08:52 AM by Skyfloating
Extreme and Unjustified Paranoia is a mental illness


Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic.


However, most people have unusual and reality-distorting experiences at some point in their lives, without being impaired or even distressed by these experiences. For example, many people have experienced visions of some kind, and some have even found inspiration or religious revelation in them.[3]


Psychosis may involve delusional beliefs, some of which are paranoid in nature


Even in the case of an acute psychosis, people may be completely unaware that their vivid hallucinations and impossible delusions are in any way unrealistic



reply posted on 1-5-2008 @ 09:04 AM by Road Warrior 31
man, i think freemason's behaviour are fascinating, here it is a conspiracy forum site, so i thought, every members were conspiratist interested in finding hidden truth behind conspiracies. some members are really different. they never explore, dig, or debate to put light over conspiracies, all they seems to want and their only goal seems to be to promote freemasonry or to protect freemasonry that seems to be the only reason they hang around. man it is like having a forum site on Greenpeace interest with whales hunters members trying to convince all the others that they do not arm the ecosystem balance.

man, i spoke to a freemason, 2 week ago, he was the father on my friend girlfriend he was at my friend's house. my friend told he was a freemason since thirty years. i had a car accident so the assurance rent me what they have left available a ‘’ 2008 Chrysler 300’’ , he told me that he once had a nice car but over the years he invest in, his self instead. i asked him what exactly and he told me he invest his economy in his self evolution, after i told him i knew he was a freemason, he told me that he is a 32 degree mason and that all his level to get degrees cost a lot of money additionally to the annual fee of 120.00$. i ask him how much he invest in freemasonry and he told me, it wa more than the Chrysler 300 value...

man, it make me think, that it is very similar to indoctrinated scientology members because of the level ( degrees) you have to pay for the attitude of the members are very similar to some around here who are always trying to deny all conspiracy around freemason.

take a look man and see the attitude of those 3 guys in the video defending their fraternal organisation it is very similar to those around here,

the same attitude and the same strategy, check this video
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