Jay-Z and other rappers Masons?, page 1/

"If ya don't see it y'all n-ggas can't f-ck with our flip-mode movement, bounce in your truck to us, y'all get stupid, don't try to f-ck with us because you will be carried away, you will get carried away." -Busta Rhymes, "Don't Get Carried Away"

“Flipmode is the squad who I beez with ... and push German V’s with ... Flipmode Squad, Here to drop bombs, against all odds, Still remain Gods ... The World is Ours, Call a National Guard." -Busta Rhymes, "Against All Odds"

Two of his Flipmode members are (SS) Spliff Star and Sean Soltys. The idea of "Flip-Mode" is also seen in the group (KK) Kris-Kross.

The number of Masonic Hollywood celebrities is staggering but proof other than symbolism, gestures, associations, and actions is often difficult to come by. They love to use twin/double letters though especially MM, WW, SS, KK, HH, PP. For instance, this is why you have Eminem (MM) Marshall Mathers, who has alter-egos named Slim Shady (SS) and Ken Keniff (KK). Y2K, K2, KKK, Special K the mountain K2. Companies like ShiSeido highlight the double S, Chanel the double C, Kit-Kat (KK) and M+M's. Milton Hershey was a confirmed Mason. In Video Games you have (MM)Mario Mario and his nemesis (KK) King Koopa. That’s why Mario’s opposite is Wario (Flipmode). Mario also has mushrooms, stars, coins, and many others Masonic symbols. The Mario movie shows the twin towers half demolished back in 1993, on each tower is the symbol of a hand gripping lightning in a K-shape giving us KK. This is also why you have (KK) King Kong at the top of the Empire State building. In (MM) Marylin Manson’s video “This is the New Sh-t” he dresses as a leather bondage (MM) Mickey Mouse. His song (KK) King Kill 33 is all about JFK/Oswald.

Eminem backwards is like “Mini-Me” from the (MM) Mike Myers movie Austin Powers. He was also in Wayne’s World (WW). Will Smith’s album Will 2K he changes the MillenniuM to the WillenniuM again highlighting the M to W like Mario/Wario etc. (FLIP MODE SQUAD!)

For more information on Masonry, click the Scribd link to The Atlantean Conspiracy in my signature.

reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:00 AM by Roark

Oh my god, dude. Bravo. You got us all! All this time we've been debating you seriously and, underneath it all, you're actually a comedian.

Kudos, man. Best troll-run since Spirit7.

*fonzie thumbs*

reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:17 AM by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Roark
Oh my god, dude. Bravo. You got us all! All this time we've been debating you seriously and, underneath it all, you're actually a comedian.

Kudos, man. Best troll-run since Spirit7.

*fonzie thumbs*

Might have been funny the first time he said it, but the joke's gone stale...

reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 01:18 AM by prevenge

Well ....

To omit influence over the top "moguls" in hip-hop .. is to omit influence over the most influential life-philosophies (however base and primitive) .. of a vast majority of agressive-fighting-age young males, and prison inmates. (facts speak, racim&sterotype-free)

I wonder how many think-tanks it's going to take in order for some multi Phd to pop the question...
"Has anyone decided to groom/reward a "top-dog" in this industry in order to gain influence over this highly violent / riot-prone and easily-led population of young males?"

I guess that's something too far in demand of the multitudes of social-engineering Washington think-tanks's collective I.Q. to muster over decades of multi-million dollar funding.

If the question was asked.. You'd think they'd probably deny it as a priority and leave that prime opportunity to someone else other than them, out of their control, possibly with alternate interests... to do it... riiiiiiight? because that's in their interests right?

you guys crack me up.
once someone brings something up...
your knee-jerk Pavlovian responses just regurgitate right out in a second's timing.
no thought..
no ability to humble yourself and think that.. no matter how "absurd" the initial suspicion seems,
even in light of your current understanding of the world.. the logic HOLDS UP AS RATIONAL..
yet .. you won't let yourself seem "too suspicious" will you... you have your "internet ego" to hold up.

nah.. no hip-hop moguls have been initiated ... that's just crazy!

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reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 07:51 PM by Roark

Hmm, I think you've misinterpreted me. I was simply responding to the post above me, which employed the kind of logic which dictates that M&Ms are Masonic. Or anything with a freaking "G" in it, for that matter... Or anything containing the colour black, or a skull, or... ah forget it.

I'm sorry if it seemed a "Pavlovian" response. If I saw a giraffe in a clown suit unicycling around parliament with a firecracker up it's arse, I'd have the same reaction.

I've been here too long, and this forum is starting to depress me when I consider what it reflects about humankind.

So all I can do is laugh, really.

Ciao. I'm off to worship satan, kidnap some street kids, and commit nepotism.

Ben Roark (M.'.M.'.)

reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 10:18 PM by jmanshiphop

Very interesting, the HH, MM and SS, also scary...

I have been researching this other rapper "Time" and his other albums are nothing like your typical hip hop that glorifies money and disrespects women, so that's odd.

I found some more info about all this on the Nothing is Real, Paul was Replaced forum and there was lots of talk of this being connected with the whole Paul is Dead frenzy...

Jay-Z also appeared on the grammy's with a performance with himself and Paul with pictures of presidents on the jumbo tron (including Reagan) very weird...
I read a story saying Time was the connection to IAMAPHONEY on youtube.

reply posted on 7-5-2008 @ 10:34 PM by freight tomsen

Originally posted by Roark
Hmm, I think you've misinterpreted me. I was simply responding to the post above me, which employed the kind of logic which dictates that M&Ms are Masonic.

Milton Hershey was a confirmed Mason. I'm not employing strange logic, you're denying reality.

reply posted on 8-5-2008 @ 05:30 PM by DocMoreau

reply to post by jmanshiphop

Never heard of 'Time' personally, and am a 20+ vet of Hip Hop culture...
upon looking him up...
Is rapper Time a freemason/illuminati member?

Honestly, his style and flow sounds like they are not fully polished and honed, and the quality makes me believe that he possibly records in his bedroom.

Its quite likely that he is using the 'Masonry' tip as his hook to get known or have attention, or that he is actually a member. From what I understand, Masons would never share their 'secrets' with those uninitiated. Perhaps I am wrong, but building up your internet rap cred blathering on about the 'secrets' would get you booted from the club. Do a google search yourself and see the 'wealth' of information on the topic.

On the other hand, using hidden meaning and symbolism would allow one to openly communicate secret messages, but I am not sure who 'Time' is communicating to... I think that in that case, its all hype and wannabe play acting

My opinion is that somewhere along the line, Masonry became a 'fall guy' for more nefarious secret group/s. I also think that subconsciously, most humans are unaware of societal symbolism that is thrown at us on a daily basis, and how symbols and logos today are still the same symbols of old, just with Web 2.0 reflections. I also think that Masonry and its symbols have been used by those who want some of the 'hype' to rub off on them. Rockerfeller becomes Rocafella.

But then again, most of us today have no idea that the 'Musclebound Gangsta Rapper' stereotype is highly homoerotic. Why would most dudes want to buy a cd of 50 Cent without a shirt on? Subconsciously, there is a fear being stoked, that terrorizes the psyche in the back of our minds regarding dropping the soap in the shower with dudes like 50 Cent. And then he says lines like... "Keep thinking I'm Candy" and the like....
He doesn't even have to know he is doing it, just perpetuating the stereotypes that he was raised in.

If you are looking for 'knowledge' from a highly educated source, Immortal Technics knows what he is talking about. But I think he is an outsider looking in. Talib Kweli, and Mos Def (Blackstar) have incredible knowledge and seem to be 'good', but quite possibly are 'involved' in the conspiracy themselves. They flirt with the 'Majors' because of their immense talents, but perhaps have not 'crossed' all the way over on talent alone because they are not willing to play along. Another artist to look into would be Ras Kass, arguably one of the best ever that really isn't know. I think he said something he shouldn't, and the iced his albums. He has like a 9 minute song that breaks the history of all of civilization, but from a hidden/stolen knowledge perspective.

I also recommend looking into the Five Percent Nation, and its ties to Hip Hop, especially 'known' hip hop artists of the late 80s/90s. Like Rakim and Nas, and Tribe Called Quest (Q Tip was one of the first to practice the rolled up pant leg), there are so many. You should also look at the Chicago gangs like the Black P Stones, Latin Kings, and Gangster Disciples. The bastardized 'masonic' styled hierarchies fly in the face of true Freemasonry, and only add to what causes Roark's pavlovian mouth watering...

Honestly, I don't have all the answers, and doubt I ever will. But I know from my own personal life experiences in Hip Hop, and what I have seen through my research on the topic, that anyone who nay-says the OP and others like it because the 'players' are not 'true masons' is laughable.

There is something there, I just cant grasp it... oh wait I know...

"Ask me if I'm tryna' kick knowledge
Nah, I'm tryna' kick the sh*t you need to learn though
That ETHER, that sh*t that make your soul burn slow"

from Nas' Ether from 12-2001 responding to Jay-Z's diss on his 9-11-2001, blueprint.... www.azlyrics.com...

DocMoreau

Mods: I am not trying to skirt the censor or anything, I actually edited the quote I took to 'play nice'... fix if needed...

[edit on 8/5/2008 by DocMoreau]

reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 01:42 PM by darkelf

Great thread! Please keep in mind, when speaking of the Masonic Order, as well as the RCC, we are discussing the institution and not the individual members. I notice that whenever these topics are brought up in this site, that individuals members get very offended. Many individual masons and Masonic communities do a great work in their communities. Howver, IMO the institution of masonry is a front for many nefarious plots.

Just my 2cents

reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 01:44 PM by blowfishdl

Most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while. This is one of those brainstorm theories you get while thinking too much.

reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 01:49 PM by Enrikez

reply to post by theendisnear69

Most music is pointless.

It's entertainment for the most part, it shouldn't have to be anything like science or literature that is expected to (at least sometimes) add to the legacy of mankind.

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