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reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 01:52 PM by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
"Old Etonian", employed in the context by yourself is not racist, sexist or religious but it is classist .


- LMAO

WTH is "classist"?!

A desperate reach to obscure the real and pertinent point
(regarding incredible privilege and an almost complete ignorance of the majority populace of this country coupled with the autocratic bombastic attitude exemplified by Boris and his father at various times)?

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
I wouldnt dream of branding anyone by where they came from, but would rather judge them by their actions. Evidently you are not of the same opinion.


- Which is very cute and all but I did not and have not "branded" Boris on the basis of "where he comes from".

Originally posted by infinite
As for your nugget...

If Thursday vote was a general election. Cameron would have a majority of 154 based on the Poll. So, your propaganda from Zanu-PF HQ is wrong.


- No infinite, you are now the one twisting the facts with this nonsense
(did you get that from "Zana-PF HQ? ).

The data I relayed relates to national British general elections and that is the truth of the matter.

Cameron & the tory party will require the largest swing ever achieved by a Tory opposition in modern times.
A swing greater even than that pulled off by Margaret Thatcher with the help of the Winter of Discontent.

Sorry but that is the absolute fact of the matter.

If you want to project these results in the event of a general election then by all means go for it but that does not render my comment wrong.

You also know as well as I that local elections (nevermind a Mayoral election, even if it was the capital) are quite different to a national general election.

Originally posted by infinite
Those guardianist have a problem with anyone from a public school.


- Er, no.

It is a matter of people being informed of elements of the character and 'roots' of the individual.
Just as it is perfectly legitimate for the tory party to point out, for instance, the trades union background of a Labour candidate or their origins.

Originally posted by infinite
It is not an issue, but people on the left want us all educated in run down state schools whilst being taught how bad Britain was to the world


- Oh dear.

Do you honestly believe such nonsense?

"Run down state schools"!?

After the years of sustained record education investment & record educational results children are leaving school with under this Gov?!

You'll have to do better than that.

Originally posted by infinite
Sorry if I sound rude, but the communist group at my uni felt Boris had no right to run in an election. Apparently, democracy is a bad term on the left


- Well, the world is full of unusual opinions, eh?

......and they're hardly representative of "the (whole) left".

Originally posted by Ste2652
If sminkey was saying there has been an unrepresentative bias towards public school educated, Oxbridge Prime Ministers in recent times he would be right.


- That you Ste2652.

It seems like it's very bad form to remark upon the enormously disproportionate influence ex-public school boys (it's almost always boys) and the Ox-Bridge crowd have - and not only in public life either.

.....the poor little oppressed unfortunates!



[edit on 4-5-2008 by sminkeypinkey]


reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 03:11 PM by infinite
reply to post by Ste2652



I had a BNP candidate knocking on my door last year in the local elections. These individuals do not just have odious views, but have limited intelligence and did not understand anything. Neither of them knew or understood local government (they thought the BNP was standing in County council not City council)

No one will lose sleep over them.

Most of their councilors never turn up to meetings or ending up voting against their own motions.

Only reason the BNP got a seat was the death of UKIP (sorry Nigel, game over!). Once Labour are out of office and in opposition, the white working class will return to them.



reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 03:14 PM by infinite
reply to post by sminkeypinkey




Sorry but that is the absolute fact of the matter.


I know, but I pointed out that the Tories can achieve the swing if we use the evidence from the local elections. The Conservative Party would get a majority of 154 based on Thursdays vote share, however, I'm not sure Labour would get 24% in a general election though.


reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 06:10 PM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by sminkeypinkey



What the devil do you mean "WTH is Classist"?

I thought you were meant to be a FSME... are you completely bewildered by the term or can you simply not refute it with logic and so choose to ridicule it? This sort of deflection wont work with me chap.

I even explained what I meant to you. I said that if I used a phrase such as "State school, inner city educated people are incapable of understanding the issues of the countryside", there would be furore. Yet you are quite comfortable mouthing off Red Flag inspired slogans such as "Oh great, just what we need... another Old Etonian who doesnt know the situation of the common man".

Let me ask you something. Is anyone educated at private school incapable of empathising with the situations and needs of the "common man"? Is it only socialist, collectivist, statist Guardian readers who are capable of understanding the concerns of the common man?!

Bollocks to classists, it is a form of discrimination like any other. If you fail to judge a man by his character rather than by the education afforded to him you are a bloody fool!


reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 06:29 PM by budski
reply to post by Ste2652



I suspesct that the climate may be even more anti-labour if brown doesn't pull us out of iraq.

Afghanistan is a little more difficult as it's against "the war on drugs"

No way should we be involved in Iran/US in any military capacity.

Or even in a diplomatic capacity, come to that.

I think a lot depends on boris, as well.

Although he'll have plenty of help.



reply posted on 4-5-2008 @ 06:43 PM by Ste2652
reply to post by budski



I'm not sure Iraq will be the defining issue of the election... if it didn't topple Blair I don't think it'll topple Brown. That being said, we may well be out of Iraq by 2010 - it all depends who becomes the next US President. If the Americans leave, so do we.

Afghanistan is different - I don't get the impression people see it as unjust (remember, British citizens died on 9/11) or illegal (in fact, it was fully sanctioned by the UN). We have every right to be there, and I think we have a need to be there too. Brown, Cameron and Clegg have all said they won't withdraw troops from Afghanistan. If we leave Iraq, it's likely that the troop levels there will go up.

Brown will try to avoid getting involved with Iran unless he absolutely has to... and if the Americans invade, I can't see UK troops doing much. Maybe some RAF airstrikes or something, but it'll be mostly diplomatic and political support. It'd be difficult to deploy troops anywhere else - they're already in numerous locations (the UK itself, Germany, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Falklands, Cyprus, Brunei, Sierra Leone and so forth). Our defence budget (the official, published one anyway... the real figure is probably higher but research costs, secret projects etc. will be kept out of public figures) is about 10% of that of the US so we can't be expected to do exactly as the US does. Simply put, we're at our limit. There are enough resources to scrape together should an emergency occur but that's about it I think.

A lot does rest on Boris, yes - if he does well it's a feather in Cameron's cap and he can take another step closer to Number Ten. We'll see how it goes... Boris has potential (he's not as daft as he seems).


reply posted on 5-5-2008 @ 01:21 PM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by sminkeypinkey



en.wikipedia.org...

www.classism.org...

www.thefreedictionary.com...

Making up my own terms, am I?

I give up. I see debate is impossible with those so enamoured by New Labour even after 10 years of them sending this country down the crapper.


reply posted on 9-5-2008 @ 02:11 AM by TKainZero
reply to post by sminkeypinkey



He was Mayor for 8 years......did London become a soviet city?


No... but i hear Londonistan is doing very nice...

Politics is Crazy... a year ago, McCain was Dead in the water... anybody that loves this country knows that John McCain is just not a good canidate for President... but now he is the Front runner... the dems have so much infighting, we are going to have President McCain...

PS, whats an Eltionan and a Pikey? I know this is a UK topic but... Us in the US don't understand half the things you say...
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