Congress Quietly Repeals Martial Law Provision

reply to post by Mekanic


Oh yeah, there's loads of stuff like that in the Star Wars movies.

What was that one line from Padme? "So this is how freedom dies - to thunderous applause...."

reply to post by MrdDstrbr


I always liked this one...

The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers. -Princess Leia

That's good news, but sadly I have to agree with the majority on this thread: too little too late.

Based on two prophecies, the zero-year curse and those of Dimitri Duduman, Bush will die in office, and there will be a major attack on the US (Russia, China, ???) while he is in office. Now, unless things start to really happen fast, Bush will have to remain in power past January 2009 for all this to happen. The only way that can happen is through martial law.

We already have the basis for complete martial law in place right now. The Patriot Act places anyone suspected of 'terrorism' (which is not specifically defined in the Act) under a special set of legal problems. One who is accused of being a 'suspected terrorist' can: be arrested at any time, without charge, probable cause, or even the name of the judge who approved the 'warrant'; be held indefinitely, without charge or notification of legal counsel; be subjected to interrogation techniques normally used solely by the military; and be tried and convicted without benefit of counsel.

The Patriot act has already been used as justification to prosecute pornographers and drug dealers outside the traditional legal bounds. Libraries have had borrower lists confiscated under the same guise. I personally have heard first-hand reports of truck drivers near the border threatened with prosecution under the Patriot Act if they did not comply with illegal actions by the police.

We have laws that are designed for no other reason than to make us complacent. Since when does our government have the right to force citizens to purchase products through private companies? Since the laws were passed requiring mandatory insurance coverage, mandatory private waste services, etc. And yet, we as a people have allowed this to continue, and in many cases have welcomed it.

We have a war being waged in the Middle East, based on the worst attack on American soil since the place was discovered. At the same time, our borders lay wide open, easily penetrable to anyone who cares to wade across a narrow muddy plain called the Rio Grande. In a recent well-known fiasco, two Border Patrol officers were arrested and imprisoned for the offense of shooting a known Mexican drug trafficker. No evidence was admitted during the 'trials' which were conducted that was not easily labeled as 'tainted', and evidence that the drug trafficker was paid by the US Dept. of Homeland Security for testimony, stayed in the guest house of the prosecutor, and had easy access to evidence used to convict (via that same prosecutor, Johnny Sutton), was declared inadmissible. And this case (Ramos and Compean) was only one among a long list of such cases.

There are reports of citizens of the US being abducted in border towns and carried across into Mexico... hundreds of US citizens. Nothing is being done, and the reports come from local law enforcement, not conspiratists or ne'er-do-wells. And yet, it seems an impossible task to build a simple fence, or even to allow border control in any form. The MinuteMen, a grass-roots group of men and women who patrolled the border, not as law enforcement, but simply to observe, has been called 'vigilantes' by our own government. This despite the fact they have never been reported to even speak or acknowledge anyone crossing the border. they simply observe and report.

The Mexican Truck Crossing pilot program was specifically addressed in a recent Congressional budget. The budget declared that no further monies were to be spent on the program, due to the concerns about the to-date safety records of the Mexican trucks and problems with verification of CDL information. Yet Mary Peters (USDOT) has consistently managed to force the program to continue, despite numerous threats and hearings from Congress. The program, as of this date, is still in effect.

I could go on for days like this. Laws that thwart the will of the public, laws which remove rights once deemed to be 'inalienable', laws which have no basis in fact, but which control the people 'for their own good'... but I think my point is made. We are being conditioned to accept unconditionally whatever the Federal Government wishes us to accept. the MSM is no longer free, but a co-conspirator in this plot.

The other day, I had one of those brain-farts. I hope this is not true, and 10 years ago I would have responded to it by thinking I was going looney... but in today's political climate, I can see it actually happening.

What if Hillary should win the Democratic nomination? Easy enough to do, either through manipulation of super-delegate votes (already going on) or through somehow managing to get delegate votes in Michigan and Florida to be counted (already being tried), despite the fact that no one besides her was running in those states. It is conceivable that in a Clinton/McCain race, Hillary could win. Now, should there be a terrorist attack between November (the election) and January (the inauguration), Bush would have all the excuse he needs (like he ever needs an excuse) to declare martial law. This makes the election null and void, and Bush remains in power. Should he and Cheney die for any reason, Peloski will assume the Presidency under the US Constitution. I could see her performing one and only one act as President - to declare the election as valid and Hillary Clinton as President. Now we have the only thing I fear more than Heir Bush under martial law: the Hildebeast under martial law.

I shudder to think about the implications of that...

TheRedneck

Bush is not Emporer Palpatine...



If you really want to understand what is happening, you have to realize that the United States of America is not a sovereign nation. The NWO is already here. It is "The Empire of the City..."

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What a joke This came out yesterday? And the 3 States subject to crime/terrorism sweeps -- Three States Subjected To 'Martial Law Sweeps' -- posted by DimensionalDetective occurred... after -or- during... this lip service from "The Hill"...?

For any elected official reading from D.C.
Keep pushing, 'geniuses'... I'm not sure what you're doing in your positions, if you don't already know this... when you corner a wounded animal, you're most likely in for a "whole lot of hurt."
Hal Turner will be posting his "List" soon, I am sure... and I will certainly re-post it somewhere here. Names... addresses... phone numbers... of all you 'goons' in D.C. pushing U.S. around. Will you be on his list? Are you already on his list? We shall see...

[edit on 4/19/2008 by RabbitChaser]

reply to post by jackinthebox


I found the short video interesting, I'll have to watch the full video when I get some time.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
I will say this at the risk of sounding like a broken record, but everyone should keep in mind, that the US Constituition has been suspended since 1933.

The Federal government, state government, local government, right on down to your own individual sovereignty are the property of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank, held in default by those receivers of the US bankruptcy in 1933. You are no longer a sovereign person allotted the inalienable rights as outlined in the US Consitution, you are an incorporated citizen with privileges extended to you as a matter of public policy.

All the more so with now Wall Street offered up. But the illusion is kept. It won't be for much longer.

Call me crazy or a sheeple or whatever. But I believe the election will occur in November and in January Bush will hand over his crown to the next inheritor without a hitch. I also believe that the next president whether he or she will be Republican or Democrat will do nothing to reverse Bush's edicts, ignoring of the constitution etc. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton giving up the power that Bush has taken and set precedence with? I believe that the neo-cons are working to take away our free speech rights, but, that latest bill that passed the house was actually sponsored by democrats. The final nail in the coffin of constitutional rights of the US citizens will come from, in my opinion, the democrats once they take away our rights to own guns. You can call them neo-cons, you can call them neo-libs, but they are all one in the same and I call them neo-facists.

If Hilary is elected, (which I believe she will ) I am definitely leaving the country.

I rather live in Russia or some place like that where I know about a secret police force running amok.

By the way.
Any links to the laws mentioned?

[edit on 20-4-2008 by Ihavenoidea]

reply to post by kyred


Hey, the rest of us can only HOPE at this point that your intuitions are correct, and elections go on as scheduled, and we end up with a "rightfully-elected" president.

Somehow I don't think the second part can, or will happen. But I would not put it past Bush to go against the people and do what he wants again. He has the power, the Constitution is a piece of toilet paper, etc... Why SHOULDN'T he stay in power and be a dictator?

reply to post by LostNemesis


I agree. As I pointed out in this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

"...the office of Pres and who holds it is irrelevant to the true power, but individuals have agendas, too, and I think Bush/Cheney want to be the power wielders in the coming police state and are champing at the bit to get the party started.

"I am sure McCain and Clinton have a clue; Obama probably does too, to an extent, but I suspect he lacks the whole story.

"If we have a pandemic in the coming months, or if we get hit with major earthquakes and severe weather, be ready to respond to martial law."

I can add "terrorist" attack, nuclear attack, UFO "invasion" and several others.

Yes, I think it will look ugly soon.

reply to post by kyred


FDR was a personal aquaintance of my grandfather. FDR was my childhood hero, and favorite President of all. To be honest, I am having a hard time accepting what I have learned only just recently actually. Even when I found out that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor beforehand, I still vigorously defended him. But now I have learned that he suspended the Constitution in 1933. It has never been restored. It is merely a guideline at best, but more accurately, "just a piece of paper" as Bush described it.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by kyred

 

FDR was a personal aquaintance of my grandfather. FDR was my childhood hero, and favorite President of all. To be honest, I am having a hard time accepting what I have learned only just recently actually. Even when I found out that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor beforehand, I still vigorously defended him. But now I have learned that he suspended the Constitution in 1933. It has never been restored. It is merely a guideline at best, but more accurately, "just a piece of paper" as Bush described it.

You know that, and I know that, but what matters is how our behavior manifests - as a whole. If We, the People, including military and police, and all the rest of us chose NOT to follow any of that, chose instead to adhere to the principles of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights, uphold it no matter what the boss, guy up above, whatever might order us to do...then it couldn't very well be considered suspended.

Because I think a REAL American uses the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the very first test of deciding whether a law is just, that is the first tool I place upon my examination.

And my goal is to get all true, REAL Americans to do the same.

[EDIT: grammatical error]

[edit on 4/20/2008 by Amaterasu]

reply to post by Amaterasu


The problem is though, that no matter what we value, the justice system today does not operate in accordance with the Constitution. These are not courts of law, but courts of public policy. And no matter what our opinion may be of them, they can do whatever they want to, and we have little choice. I can bitch and scream about warrantless bag searches being unconstitutional, but that doesn't change the fact that the Supreme Court has made it "legal" in direct contradiction to the Constitution and without a Constitutional amendment.

reply to post by jackinthebox


I know that is a problem now... But what if we all agreed to follow a different set of laws and Constitution? What if every one of us who wants to throw off the reins of an Elite just said, "Nope. I'm following better rules?"

I can dream, eh? And be active in promoting that thought.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Most people aren't even aware of how bad things really are, or why, or how the elites get away with all the crap that they do. And obviously, that ignorance is deliberately implemented and perpetuated. You ever try to tell a "regular" person this stuff? It's not even that they don't believe you. They just get this glazed look in their eye, as if their ears don't even pick up what you're saying. It's really scary actually, that people are so hypnotized.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
You ever try to tell a "regular" person this stuff? It's not even that they don't believe you. They just get this glazed look in their eye, as if their ears don't even pick up what you're saying. It's really scary actually, that people are so hypnotized.

Funny you should mention that....over the Christmas holiday I took the liberty of screening the 9-11 and Banking chapters of Zeitgeist: The Movie to a group of family members. Within 20 minutes 7 of 10 were asleep.

It was then that I realized that waking up the sleeping masses was something that may not even be possible. Even when people want to become aware they still end up glazing over and letting it slide right by essentially unnoticed. The human capacity to avoid information which is unsettling to the equilibrium or even uncomfortable to consider is truly mind blowing.

Originally posted by RabbitChaser
What a joke

This came out yesterday? And the 3 States subject to crime/terrorism sweeps -- Three States Subjected To 'Martial Law Sweeps' -- posted by DimensionalDetective occurred... after -or- during... this lip service from "The Hill"...?

For any elected official reading from D.C.
Keep pushing, 'geniuses'... I'm not sure what you're doing in your positions, if you don't already know this... when you corner a wounded animal, you're most likely in for a "whole lot of hurt."
Hal Turner will be posting his "List" soon, I am sure... and I will certainly re-post it somewhere here. Names... addresses... phone numbers... of all you 'goons' in D.C. pushing U.S. around. Will you be on his list? Are you already on his list? We shall see...

[edit on 4/19/2008 by RabbitChaser]

I live in Memphis and have knowledge of the inner workings here. There was no "Martial Law" going on. Memphis is however on the tops for one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. and I am trying to get my family out of this place. Other than saying that I will hold my tongue.

reply to post by jackinthebox


True. And it's likely that we will lose, mostly eradicated with the rest enslaved. But we do what we can, eh?

Originally posted by Bachrk
I live in Memphis and have knowledge of the inner workings here. There was no "Martial Law" going on.

Memphis is however on the tops for one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. and I am trying to get my family out of this place. Other than saying that I will hold my tongue.

So you're saying you saw no businesses invaded? No large corps of uniforms? Is it possible this went down in areas you don't frequent?

Just trying to grasp your point, I guess.