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Topic started on 13-4-2008 @ 07:43 PM by Sestias
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Obama Seeks To Affirm His Patriotism
www.examiner.com
 BUTTE, Mont. (Map, News) - Barack Obama wants to make something clear: He loves America.
After a series of incidents that prompted questions about his patriotism, the Democratic presidential candidate is peppering speeches with explicit
statements on his love of country.
"I love this country not because it's perfect but because we've always been able to move it closer to perfection," he told an audience in North
Dakota.
And in Montana: "It's a country where ... I've seen ordinary Americans find justice, where I've seen progress made for working families who need
leaders who are willing to stand up and fight for them. That is the country I love."
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reply posted on 13-4-2008 @ 07:43 PM by Sestias
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I've never questioned Obama's patriotism. I think it's possible to say your country "could do better" from time to time and still have a genuine love
for it. Some people believe a politician ought to run a flag up a pole everytime the U.S.A. is mentioned, but that sort of unquestioning loyalty
which never sees a flaw is unrealistic. We live in an imperfect world, that doesn't mean we hate it.
This comes in the wake of his controversial statements about the middle class being "bitter" in some ways. It probably won't convince some people,
but they're the ones who aren't going to vote for him anyway.
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reply posted on 13-4-2008 @ 07:48 PM by MagicaRose
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It seems to me that he is just trying to cover his tracks.
He's trying to make 'good' all the bad comments he's made.
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reply posted on 13-4-2008 @ 08:04 PM by Techsnow
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The mainstream media really spun what he said about "rural America".
The fact is, the way he said it, and what he said, showed sympathy for rural America and the poorer people of the country.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 11:55 AM by Sestias
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Where I live all the plants and textile mills have moved south to Mexico or overseas. Now the people who worked at them have jobs at McDonald's or
Wal-Mart for less than half what they used to make. They hate NAFTA and CAFTA and all the free-trade agreements that have robbed them of their jobs.
I think it's fair to say that some are pretty bitter. And this is the Bible belt, so faith is very important to many people here. All in all, I'd
say Obama's description is pretty accurate.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:04 PM by FlyersFan
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 Originally posted by Sestias
I've never questioned Obama's patriotism. 
You should.
The main requirement of that 'church' he's been going to for 23 years is that he be faithful to his 'true homeland of Africa'. (no mention of
being true to America though  )
Being faithful to an entire continent of countries before America ... that certainly brings his patriotism into question. Put your race before your
own country .. oh that's patriotic alright. 
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:05 PM by stikkinikki
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I flagged this thread for the interesting take you have on this "story". In my opinion Obama has been responding to the attacks pretty well and he
keeps coming out smelling like roses. Look at who he is running against, they both have glass houses. How much more dirt about the current
administration has yet to be exposed?
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:16 PM by hinky
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I have never doubted his love or patriotism of this country. The spin of the people reporting his latest flap have never lived or worked with people
from rural America. Cling is the proper word and they are armed as a large group. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with his apt description of 70% to
80% of rural Americans.
I'm a middled aged, white guy who is actually going to vote for Obama. My state is clearly Republican from the local level to congress.
I feel he is the least harmful of any candidates running. McCain is one heart beat from death. Clinton is just that...another Clinton.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:20 PM by Nailer
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:23 PM by Nailer
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Originally posted by hinky
I have never doubted his love or patriotism of this country. The spin of the people reporting his latest flap have never lived or worked with people
from rural America. Cling is the proper word and they are armed as a large group. I saw absolutely nothing wrong with his apt description of 70% to
80% of rural Americans.
I'm a middled aged, white guy who is actually going to vote for Obama. My state is clearly Republican from the local level to congress.
I feel he is the least harmful of any candidates running. McCain is one heart beat from death. Clinton is just that...another Clinton.
Vote for RON PAUL 2008 and be a real American and not some media fed Zombie.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:26 PM by andy1033
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"I love this country not because it's perfect but because we've always been able to move it closer to perfection,"
Closer to perfection, tell me how?
Just because you people say so, does not mean, that statement is objective truth. Truth in our world seems subjective, and upto who is authority.
Barack obama should remember the term, objective truth. Just because some americans may believe something, does not make it absolute. 
I have to say, for a person running for president, he does say some strange things. Is this what a limosine liberal says?
[edit on 4/14/2008 by andy1033]
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:40 PM by SaviorComplex
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Originally posted by Nailer
Vote for RON PAUL 2008 and be a real American and not some media fed Zombie.
No one who votes for Ron Paul is a "real American." Especially someone who makes the claim if you don't vote for someone it's tantamount to
treason or hating America. Of course, don't tell the brainwashed Ron Paul automatons that.
See how I flipped that around? 
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:48 PM by SaviorComplex
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Originally posted by Techsnow
The mainstream media really spun what he said about "rural America".
The fact is, the way he said it, and what he said, showed sympathy for rural America and the poorer people of the country.
I think it showed both a sympathy and a disdain for "rural America," in a "Lord forgive them, they know not what they do." sort of way. And in
light of his comments about "typical white people," it is easy to see how people would take it the wrong way. Although I will give him the benefit
of the doubt, and say he just used bad wording, though he seems to be doing that a lot lately...
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:52 PM by Nailer
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Originally posted by Nailer
All I did is say what he could do to prove his patriotism to me.. I did not go into fine detail. just said he could end his life with a gun.. Boy talk
about censorship run rampant.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:54 PM by Nailer
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Ron Paul wants to keep the constitution unlike Obama he wants to abolish it .
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 01:18 PM by SaviorComplex
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Originally posted by Nailer
Ron Paul wants to keep the constitution unlike Obama he wants to abolish it .
Really now? Could you please tell us where Obama has said he wants to abolish the Constitution?
Or did Ron Paul just tell you that?
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 01:38 PM by Scramjet76
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If he wants to affirm his patriotism he should do so by killing terrorists. No one would question his love for his country then. Is it really that
hard? Next great president qualifications:
1) Hand over heart during national anthem.
2) Commitment to dropping terrorists like flies.
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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 07:34 PM by Sestias
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Originally posted by Scramjet76
Next great president qualifications:
1) Hand over heart during national anthem.
2) Commitment to dropping terrorists like flies.
1. I think this was discussed on ATS before, but until the flap over Obama and the "Star Spangled Banner" I didn't know you were supposed to put
your hand over your heart while the national anthem was played, not even after all those years of pledging allegiance to the flag in school. Most
people don't know that; I never did until someone posted the U.S. code on ATS. I can't blame Obama for not knowing what millions of people didn't
know.
2. Obama has never defended terrorists, and never said he wouldn't fight them in Afghanistan, etc. Are you maybe referring to his commitment to
ending the war in Iraq sometime in the future?
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reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 10:30 AM by Sestias
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At the Democratic debate in Pennsylvania last night, there were some questions from viewers. One asked Obama why he wouldn't wear a flag pin in his
lapel. He replied that he has never refused to wear a flag pin and often does. IMO this flap began months ago when a reporter noticed Obama wasn't
wearing a flag on his lapel whereas he had worn one the previous day. The whole thing was blown way out of proporation, but still there are people
who want to insist he somehow hates America.
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reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 11:21 AM by Mekanic
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Everything in politics gets blown out of proportion. If a photographer opened the bathroom and found Obama peeing while sitting down, it would be
portrayed negatively. Media and politics, there will never be a happy medium. Slash and bash.
I don't doubt his love for America. But too many people do, if only because of the nitpicking.
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