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posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by TKainZero
What has happen to our world?

Why do girls think that grinding/kissing girls is hot to guys...

I dont get this...

Parties now are just girls griniding on Girls... kissing, and doing all kinds of exual activites...

is this behavior typical... from what i see... it has become the norm...



There are still some women who believe that love, passion and romance is a valuable thing. We don't buy into the sexuality for attention bit, we just are sexy for being who we are.

I think the real problem is that the women who want attention are the ones who get it. It's like comparing a billboard sign to a garage sale sign, while one may be big and ugly and annoying to look at, we still look, and the other may be simple and obvious so we tend to forget it's there or even notice it at all.

There are beautiful, elegant, classy women all over. They just don't want or need attention so they don't beg for it.

Don't give up on the pearls in an ocean of clams !!




posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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DuneKnight,

In reply to your post about risk and in the context of the behaviors of which the OP is speaking.

First let me link this post from page 2 of this thread. Read this and continue on in the context of the OP. This link also links in it a post to a fellow named Madnessinmysoul on the board about Homosexuality what is wrong with it. You might want to read that link in the one linked here.

Heres the link. from page 2 of this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The way risk works....is that we carry on certain conduct in order to socially gain some kind of advantage.....usually with a mind to reducing our risk in some manner.

What is not generally taught to men is that for many women ...social status is very important. To all women no ..but to many yes. Social status is quite marketable and profitable.
You can tell this by just walking through any department store...in a mall for example. The ratio of goods male to female is about 7 to one..female...not male.
This implys that status in acquirring these goods or access to these goods implys a pecking order..among women. Many of these goods are sold with sex and sexuality in mind. The male may not catch it or understand by a glance .but the women by and large can take all this in with a passing glance. They see very keenly what most men will miss...particularly in reference to sexuality and status.
Purchasing power in a marketplace means less risk...understand? Access to a male to enhance purchasing power means less risk. The tool to get this is beauty and sexuality. This is constantly promoted and pandered to...in magazines, on television..everywhere.
It does not matter if a woman works or not...most women are not looking to marry or date down the economic ladder to someone making less moneys than they ...they understand the status and risk thing much better than most men.

Sex and sexuality among many women ..especially the younger generation today is seen as an almost exclusive route to power and control over men without much risk. "This is a 180 degree turnabout from the original position of the womens movement of the 1960s and 1970s where women were protesting being viewed as sex objects. Today it is a mark of excellence to be a sex object. More so than the competition. This is the market trend used to put women on a string. Men too.

This is why you see words like.. "She Tamed him" in articles or romance novels ..meaning sexually she mastered him or brought him around to her way of thinking by sleeping with him.

if you look at magazine covers like Cosmopolitan, Redbook, Elle..and others of this genre..it is mostly about sex and sexuality. Even the cover articles and by lines reek of this thinking. This is why I say..these television programs are a cheap version of "Girls Gone Wild". These magazines and romance novels are too. It is the best they can do and there is a huge market for this stuff...with the key behind the scenes message being how to reduce a womans risk...what strategy to use to reduce ones risk.

How do I know this ..I occassionally read them and look for trends. Mostly they are predicatable.

One common format..in many of these magazines is the Quiz. Dont take responsibilty...or risk...take quizzes instead. Got it now??

The intresting thing about most men is that they are totally oblivious to this kind of thinking.


but i i see it differently; female masculinity is the trend here in terms of women taking the role of the guy and basically acting like one, for instance talking about sex, no more virgins around, female fantasies, flirting, interest in porn, etc ---- this puts guys in an awkward position.


I dont have a problem with women doing this..no problem at all. I know how to handle this type too...just subject them to risk. You will find them backing off very quickly. They can ante up or get lost. Those who can take the risk without whinning I will watch them closely for potential.
Sex and beauty is not it....it is not potential long term for me.
I dont think much of guys like this either. Ive had them on my job. I'll show them what risk is too. Off the job neither do I socialize with them. Not intrested in male or female wildlife.


however still words like slut are used on women only almost excessively do words like these make women feel inferior? or is it taken as a compliment nowadays, example would be calling girls(who are friends) whores all the time and they like it and dont mind.


Words like slut and whore are used just as much if not more by women now days as a control mechanism. It implys that this woman or that woman is a whore or slut for giving it away cheaper and easier than I am willing to give it away...thus lowering my value in the marketplace. In otherwords competition. That whore, slut , bitch is stealing my thunder.
It took me a long while to comprehend this concept of how actually competitive many women are.
Oh..and another facet...Bitch..many women gain power over men by being a combination of sex/sexual and being a bitch. To be a bitch today is a hallmark of excellence. This usually means that if necessary to reach thier goals they cause confusion and chaos to get their way ...they will do this as a management technique. This is very effective on men who are conditioned to carry out the play when she gives the hint on threat of chaos...they will eagerly run for the touchdown for her at great risk. Understand this concept?? Being a bitch is a fingerprint or hallmark of excellence to many young women today .even some older ones too.
Beware of this fingerprint. It usually means high maintenance and a drama queen. It also means great risk to a male.
If you want Peace in your life ..you'd better learn to deal with a woman like this very early. If all you want is Piece...remain a dummy.

This, DuneKnight, is a very naive statement. You really need to think this through from the standard stereotype. Many men stereotype and also many women too. You need to learn to navigate the mine field of stereotypes out here.


biologically speaking men are revered as powerful while women are looked down upon as a shame. so we guys take pride in ourselves as being 'powerful' while girls take pride in being shameful? does that make sense


Remember what I told you above about the 7 to1 ratio of goods in the stored marketed to women verses men. The standard mantra is that women dont earn as much moneys as do men...they are victims and downtrodden and unpowerful. Therefore the system must make special accomodations for them becasue they are so weak and downtrodden in a patriarical society run by men.

At 7 to 1 ratio of goods marketed to women...females...someone has to be paying for all these goods and stores in order for them to stay in buisness...but women dont make as much moneys as men. So who is paying for it. It must be the men? See how simple it is!!??
Men are not powerful..they are paying for their own second hand status.
The truth of this system is that men only earn the moneys...women determine how most of it is spent..on homes..cars, clothes, insurance plans..vacations..etc etc etc.
Only men can be this naturally stupid that they dont understand the risks they take in life ...and be blindsided by sex and beauty to get them to come off their goodies in lieu of real long term value.

Much of sports conditioning is training to run touchdowns for the women and family.
There is nothing wrong with running touchdowns for your family ..but dont get caught up in all this frivilous stuff of appearnces and status to do it. Much of womanhood and motherhood has been hijacked by this frivolity while lowering risks to the controller. In otherwords get the guy to do it while lowering her risk and directing from the background.

DuneKnight ..be very careful as to what you think is power out here. I know several women who can turn the tables on a man with just a couple of words and get them eagerly seeking their approval and at great risk. Power is not always what it appears on the surface. Subtilty too is very powerful. Most women know this instinctively...Most men do not.

Now..DuneKnight..to be fair here...

In this country we are currently breeding a generation of young men who are in fact very femminine. They dress sharply and snappily like men and are a nice commodity to haul around to match a womans handbag...but they know so few manly skills outside of social skills. In short they are high maintenance. They know how to play video games ...watch blue ray television..but cannot solve many complex problems dealing with electrical or mechanical stuff as was the case with their fathers. Many women buy into this type at first ..until they realize the maintenance costs of this type of male.
They dont want the competition for goods and services..ie..they dont want the risk. What I hear alot of these women say..is to the effect that "I cannot count on him." Translate that ..he is high maintenance.
They are correct.
These type of guys are raised primarily by women..have womens values and womens thinking. Including they dont want risk.
This is becoming more and more common today.

This may be the root behind Whitewaves statement that many women are competiting in this manner for the remaining Alpha Males. I had not thought of this angle until she mentioned it. I am glad she did.

A highly merchandized man is no better than a highly merchandized woman. They too will attempt to lower thier risks. And I see more and more guys today doing this. They are kept men until the women have had enough.

You have asked a very good question in wanting to know about risk. Hope this helps.

Orangetom



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 12:58 PM
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Ellipsis,
I pretty much agree with the outline of which you speak. There are in fact such women out here. They do , however , seem to be a disappearing breed. Becomeing more rare as years go by. Most falling to the cheap merchandizing If which I mentioned previously. Hence they are as you described..Pearls.
Similar pattern with the men.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Two girls kissing and grinding on me on a dance floor = ultra hot!

Half of the ATS girls kissing and grinding on me on a dance floor = dream come true!



This is the Holy Grail, man!!!



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by whatukno
Two girls kissing and grinding on me on a dance floor = ultra hot!

Half of the ATS girls kissing and grinding on me on a dance floor = dream come true!



This is the Holy Grail, man!!!



Nasty boys..just nasty.
But after a few drinks, who knows what AD does..
(A few choice people can ZIP IT!!!)



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Aw seriously can ya blame me AD?

This isn't a bad thing. I think this sort of behavior should be encouraged. As far as it is now women are much to inhibited for my taste. This kind of behavior empowers women and makes them less of a sex object and frees them more in this aspect of their lives.

And makes for one heck of a great night to boot

it's a win win


[edit on 5/1/2008 by whatukno]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Aw seriously can ya blame me AD?

This isn't a bad thing. I think this sort of behavior should be encouraged. As far as it is now women are much to inhibited for my taste. This kind of behavior empowers women and makes them less of a sex object and frees them more in this aspect of their lives.

And makes for one heck of a great night to boot

it's a win win


[edit on 5/1/2008 by whatukno]

Where the heck are you looking for women that they are too inhibited? Don't you reside in the SUNSHINE state itself?
Geez man, come up to Canada.
However, I fail to see how this empowers women, and makes them less of a sex object.
If men are watching us do this with desire on their mind..WE ARE SEX OBJECTS. No two ways about it.
The only thing that empowers a woman..is the word "NO".



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
Where the heck are you looking for women that they are too inhibited? Don't you reside in the SUNSHINE state itself?


Well not anymore. I live in the great cesspool that is Michigan now. (sigh)


However, I fail to see how this empowers women, and makes them less of a sex object.
If men are watching us do this with desire on their mind..WE ARE SEX OBJECTS. No two ways about it.
The only thing that empowers a woman..is the word "NO".


And you just answered your own question. NO. There you go. Now you ladies can do all of this, dress sexy, grind and kiss on other ladies, thereby driving us men insane with desire and yet at the end of the night say no.

Least for me no works as an answer, most gentelmen accept this as an answer.

Edit: silly brackets.

[edit on 5/1/2008 by whatukno]



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 09:58 PM
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OK Wukky, so you are a gentleman. Good for you.In public.
Us women want a bad boy in the bedroom.
WHOOPS! My fingers are typing before my brain is working again.:bnghd:



posted on May, 1 2008 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
Us women want a bad boy in the bedroom.


Ah appearances can be deceiving my dear. Of course I would never tell. Thats just not gentelmen like behavior.

Now where are these grinding dancing girls?



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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Duneknight,

I cant believe it...talk about timing. Go back out to the main thread on the relationships board. Look up and click on the thread

"Glamour Magazine: 8 sex and love things men are right about"


There is a link to the article showing three pages out of Glamour Magazine

Click on these pages and look at the advertising and advertising sections you can click on.

Tell you what DuneKnight..I will put the link up here..just click on this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Remember what I said...about these magazines selling mostly sex and sexuality as tool to enhance status and lower risk.

You are looking at a training manual.

I had to bust out laughing at one of the links within the pages..
It was about Prom night. From the magazine down at the bottom of the page...Young miss..advertised as YM magazine.

it said.

What's Your Prom Personality?
When it comes to the big night, what will be most important to you? Find out with our quiz.

Dont take responsibility..take quizzes.

LOL LOL ..talk about textbook.

However ..to be fair about this kind of cheap merchandizing ...men get it now days too. I read a copy of a magazine one of the guys brought to work..it was called Maxim. I asked if I could read it. Low and behold...I immediately recognized it as a male version of Cosmo.
Very similar strategys except directed at a male audience. You know ...buy this stuff if you want to be a player. Same kind of ego appeal.
It too was awful. Buy this stuff, be a Maxim man or be no one.
It is just that men generally dont respond to quizzes as do women in these types of magazines.

Imagine a mans magazine like Handyman...

How to lose forty pounds off that walnut cabinet without really working at it....just take our quiz!!

Would that be a good training manual for a man??

Well ...nontheless..check it out..that site.

Thanks,
Orangetom




[edit on 2-5-2008 by orangetom1999]



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
This is the Holy Grail, man!!!



Originally posted by AccessDenied
Nasty boys..just nasty.


Nasty?? Even better!



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno

Originally posted by AccessDenied
Us women want a bad boy in the bedroom.


Ah appearances can be deceiving my dear. Of course I would never tell. Thats just not gentelmen like behavior.

Now where are these grinding dancing girls?


They are up here in Canada Apparently. No inhibitions to us girls.
Perhaps I should move this post to the BRAG thread.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
This is the Holy Grail, man!!!



Originally posted by AccessDenied
Nasty boys..just nasty.


Nasty?? Even better!


Whatever your pleasure is there sir..
THIS:


OR THIS:

AS IF I REALLY NEED TO ASK..LOL



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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What the
is going on in this thread?

I'm lost now.



posted on May, 2 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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MMMMMMMM!!!

Come on, we all know Janet Jackson could take on all six Pussycat Dolls with her hands tied behind her back....



posted on Mar, 29 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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I have done this type of thing.. but not to get a guys attention.

actually i turned to girls AFTER a guy did my wrong. so many guys are so mean, and shallow. i thought about giving up on guys, turned to girls, only to find that i like them both.

it is normal to experiment with sexuality, and now that girls feel it is no longer taboo, it makes it easier. its a normal part of life and our society has just reinforced it. if you don't like it, don't watch it. not every girl is starving for male attention. there are lots of reasons for it.





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