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Originally posted by jmdewey60
God does not have a name.
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by Nyte Angel
Since that is patently absurd, the only logical explanation is that God is outside the loop. God was always there.
[edit on 9-4-2008 by babloyi]
A Few Hebrew Names and Their Meanings
Adonai-Jehovah -- The Lord our Sovereign
El-Elyon -- The Lord Most High
El-Olam -- The Everlasting God
El-Shaddai -- The God Who is Sufficient for the Needs of His People
Jehovah-Elohim -- The Eternal Creator
Jehovah-Jireh -- The Lord our Provider
Jehovah-Nissi -- The Lord our Banner
Jehovah-Ropheka -- The Lord our Healer
Jehovah-Shalom -- The Lord our Peace
Jehovah-Tsidkenu -- The Lord our Righteousness
Jehovah-Mekaddishkem -- The Lord our Sanctifier
Jehovah-Sabaoth -- The Lord of Hosts
Jehovah-Shammah -- The Lord is Present
Jehovah-Rohi -- The Lord our Shepherd
Jehovah-Hoseenu -- The Lord our Maker
Jehovah-Eloheenu -- The Lord our God
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...how would god's godhood be diminished if god was a product of the universe?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by miriam0566
Our god is the only one who can be called "I am who I decide that I am".
If you want to use that as a name, be my guest, but do not delude yourself.
This is a description of something about the nature of God that He wanted to be told to Pharoah.
It was meant to confound Pharaoh and to give him no satisfaction.
We can not reach up to heaven and pull God down to us.
God is beyond all explaination and is everything and nothing, or whatever, that only he knows.
God is not in a box.
He could send a presence to sit on a box, but we can not contain Him, or name him, other than what we invent ourselves to use.
Any way, do what you want, but the word god is nothing other than the Anglo-Saxon word for good.
I like the anglosaxon and use it as much as possible and I may be the only person you may know who actually read the entire Anglo-Saxon Chronicle.
Originally posted by babloyi
If God was a product of the universe, then God could not know anything outside the framework of the universe.
God would not have power over the universe.
God would not be able to exist outside the universe.
For example, if God was a product of the universe, that would mean that there was a time that God did not exist (not omnipresent).
It would mean that God would not know what happened before that time.
The universe has fixed laws and rules. It has a fixed amount of energy. How can something omnipotent be created within a framework of a fixed amount of energy?
Origin has every bearing on how something is defined.
Not sure what you mean, Nyte Angel. You question seems to be asking how it came to be that God was always 'just there'. Since God was always just there, there is no way it came to be. It just always was. God was always just there because God is God, the only being capable of always being just there. An omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient being.
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor 2:14)
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.(Isaiah 55:8)
"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; " (1 Corinthians 1:27)
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
that's a jump, there's no logical backing to that statement. it's quite possible that a being can know something outside the framework of the universe it inhabits. in fact, if this hypothetical god could possibly leave the very universe it was created in
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...unless said being could time travel (being omnipotent would take care of that)
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
also incorrect. if a being is omni^3rd it can trace back all events from the point of its origin.