Raelian Conspiracy to Overthrow Religion

So you´re through with atheists and now going after us new agers? Be careful, we´re a more wicked bunch than the atheists.

For a "christian" you sure do pass a lot of judgement on others.

And yes, given the choice to kneel down in front of a guy nailed to a cross and going out to score members of the preferred sex, I´ll choose the latter any day.

Life wasnt meant to be the shame and blame game.

[edit on 11-4-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
So you´re through with atheists and now going after us new agers? Be careful, we´re a more wicked bunch than the atheists.

For a "christian" you sure do pass a lot of judgement on others.

Oh I doubt we'll ever be through with the atheists. They have a passion for Christianity. They spend as much time on it as we do. Why are you a Raelien too? I wouldn't really call Raeliens "new agers". They do not even believe in a soul or anything spiritual really. Pretty much just hedonism,, aliens and cloning.

We get this all the time, how Christians are supposed to "judge not". Like we aren't allowed to have opinions. No we are told to judge all things. I try to judge the sin not the sinner... but I'm not always perfect at it.

"Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!"(1 Corinthians 6:3)

And yes, given the choice to kneel down in front of a guy nailed to a cross and going out to score members of the preferred sex, I´ll choose the latter any day.

Good luck with that.

Life wasnt meant to be the shame and blame game christianity makes it to be.

You right about how life wasn't meant to be that way. There's no shame and blame if you follow the rules. Christianity is the answer to shame and blame; not the source. The source is the shameful lifestyle advocated by gurus like Rael.

After the testimony form his own wife about the way he exposed his young children to orgies, there's really not much left to say about the Raelien lifestyle. By their fruit you shall know them.




[edit on 4/11/2008 by Bigwhammy]

reply to post by Bigwhammy


No Im not a Raelian. And you do have a point about the spritual-aspects.

Should you ever open a thread about the "new agers conspiracy to overthrow christianity" I will be an eager participant.

reply to post by Skyfloating



That's a good idea. I'll do some research ?

OK see you then

I'll be there to back you Whammy. You are not alone in your struggle with these Godless heathans.
Sorry, I've been waiting to use that term so I figured this was as good a time as any.

Raelianism is about love, pure and simple. It takes an evolved and conscious mind to understand that. I can understand where bigwammy is coming from, but he/she is basing their opinion entirely on internet articles. As I said before, you should really attend a seminar or a Raelian gathering to see what we are really like. If one never heard of Catholicism/Christianity before, he/she could easily say it's a gross violation of human rights based on the publicity of priests raping little innocent boys. Where do I sign up for that crap?!

I on the other hand have seen both sides of the coin. My wife is Catholic, yes Catholic! She's different than most Catholics because she actually conveys a sense of tolerance for people, something most of the Catholics I've met at her church don't do. They are miserable people, mean, gossipy, constantly talking about what others are doing wrong and how they should live their lives. The negativity that spews from them is sickening. I don't want any part of that!

The Raelian message is incredibly beautiful. I can't wait to express that to my son, when he becomes old enough to understand. However, my wife does take him to her Catholic church. I think that's wonderful, and the Raelian message tells us that our children should be taught ALL the religions of the world. But ... it also tells us that it should eventually be the decision of the child as to which path they choose, and not the parents. I see many parents get angry because their child decided not to follow them. Idiots! I am so thankful that my parents didn't force any religion upon me, but allowed me to develop and think for myself.

There is only one thing I will ever ask of my son - be happy! If it turns out that he is happy being Catholic, then I'll be happy. If he's happy being Raelian, then I'll be happy. If he's happy being a porn star, then I'll be happy ... etc.

Our beautiful Raelian national guide (responsible for the USA) will be interviewed tonight (Friday, April 11th 2008) on www.alltalkradio.net... from 8:15 PM to 10:00 PM PST. I invite all of you to listen .... carefully

reply to post by Christian Voice


"godless heathens"? i guess that's taking it too far, since it assumes we know the hearts of each one and God's presence/or lack thereof in their lives. We should probably refrain from making those kinds of accusations.

[edit on 11-4-2008 by undo]

reply to post by ThreeNF

I see many parents get angry because their child decided not to follow them. Idiots!

It's their responsibility as parents to bring up their children in the way they feel will do them the most justice on an eternal scale.

reply to post by undo

Hey undo. I appreciate your heart. I really do. I think CV was being somewhat tongue and cheek with the "godless heathens" remark. My first inclination was about the same as yours. It sounds a little too aggressive. However just to be true to myself I went and researched it a bit.

Raliens admit to being atheistic. i.e. Godless

Heathen : a) a person who does not acknowledge your god
b) not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
wordnet.princeton.edu...

So it's really a redundancy. And accurate.

Correct, Raelians don't believe in any singular God.

www.thereisnogod.info...

reply to post by ThreeNF


Rael's teaching relies heavily on other people's interpretations of the bible, before we discovered that the sumerians and akkadians believed and revealed the same things as the bible (with some minor variations). In fact, it relies heavily on ignoring huge expanses of history. I don't understand that mindset, and it isn't just Rael who thinks like that. Most of modern academia believes the same way. It's like this mammoth veil has dropped on all their eyes, and now when they encounter ancient history, they call it a fairytale and a myth, and the beliefs of uneducated. But it has yet to be proven when humanity went from being able to build and coordinate things like the Giza Plateau and fluted vases with paper thin necks made entirely of schist (brittle flint like stone), to being so stupid, they couldn't tell the difference between a star and a bipedal being, talking right to them. These are all symptoms of each other. Rael's beliefs are symptoms of the other interpretations, which all assume certain things about the past.

reply to post by ThreeNF


From Raels ex wife :

She says: 'The kids believed him . . . they'd had it drummed into them since before they could talk. What he did to them was hateful - he devastated their lives. No child should be expected to witness adult nudity and exist in an environment so close to people having orgies.'

Raels Ex Wifes Testimony

So do you think it is wrong to expose preteen children to adults having orgies? Most people consider that to be criminal. Or is that natural revulsion something you "Train It!!!" away as well?

Originally posted by ThreeNF
There is only one thing I will ever ask of my son - be happy! If it turns out that he is happy being Catholic, then I'll be happy. If he's happy being Raelian, then I'll be happy. If he's happy being a porn star, then I'll be happy ... etc.

What if he's happy as a criminal or deviant? How do you define happy?


Since you have revealed that you are a married man. Obviously you are OK with all this Raelien hedonism, I wonder if you can be honest about how your Catholic wife feels about it?





[edit on 4/11/2008 by Bigwhammy]

According to former Raelian Pete Cooke the recruitment practices are highly questionable.

Sex used to recruit Raelians

Members cruise bars, strip clubs
The Edmonton Sun/October 11, 2003

Former members of the Raelian cult say attractive members of the movement cruise strip clubs and bars looking for lonelyhearts who are offered free sex - and plenty of it - to recruit them into the organization. "They work the bars and the vulnerable ones are caught," said Steve Hassan, a former Moonie who now helps "deprogram" cult members with the Boston-based organization Freedom of Thought.

"They use free sexuality as inducement and recruiting."

Former Raelian Pete Cooke was recruited into the cult by a dancer in Montreal's Kit Kat strip bar. "I had been divorced for 16 years. I wasn't a misfit but I had trouble making friends and I was lonely and I got sucked right in," said Cooke, who spent two years with the cult.

The Quebec-based religion, headed by former journalist and race car driver Claude Vorilhon - who is known as Rael - believes humans were cloned by aliens. Cooke, who has been out of the cult for five years and now lives north of Toronto, believes in UFOs. "It wouldn't be such a bad place if you'd leave all the sex out. I'd never go back because of the sexual aspect," he said. "I didn't like all the opening of genitals or all the focusing on the anus."

www.rickross.com...

Originally posted by Thurisaz
I feel cloning is an artificial way and the other spiritual.

I guess my point is if people grab the eternal life option through cloning, then they reject Christ. Christ states Christians are 'resurrected' through the spiritual faith.

Just how did the plural God make us? Being made does not really provide 'how' we were made. Could it signal a medical procedure using dust? Then taking the rib from Adam and making Eve. Look at medical science now, humans have developed a way to 'grow organs' from tissue.

This may have been missed in the crossfire so just posting it again.

I do feel the cloning is anti Christ.

Just wonder what others think?

reply to post by Thurisaz


Yes I do see it as evil. We have the potential to make "humans" with out souls.... we have no idea what will happen. Rael and crew obviously view them as just shells they can transfer themselves into. They can not view them as humans or they would be violating them in the most fundamental way by imposing their brain data on them.

Interesting they do not see them as humans with rights (because they are clones) , yet they claim to not believe in souls or spirits.

If there is no soul, aren't clones the same as everyone else Raelians?





[edit on 4/11/2008 by Bigwhammy]

Originally posted by ThreeNF
Our beautiful Raelian national guide (responsible for the USA) will be interviewed tonight (Friday, April 11th 2008) on www.alltalkradio.net... from 8:15 PM to 10:00 PM PST. I invite all of you to listen .... carefully

Sorry, I posted the wrong link above. You can find last night's interview here,

www.blogtalkradio.com...

Download the 4/11/08 show (mp3) of "On your mind with Schree & Baby". Our national guide comes in around 16 minutes into the show.

Well concerning the cloning part, I'm not too sure how bad that would be. I'm pretty sure if you made a clone, it would have a spirit and a soul, there is a difference between the two, the spirit is the eternal essence of a human cloked in the shell of a physical body, the soul is the catalyst between the the an intermediary. That's what I believe at least. Why wouldn't they have a sould and spirit?
The only thing that is wrong (and will never work) is the transference of a person's mind from body to body, the soul (which I believe is a "quantum" part of the brain) would get in the way, as well as the spirit of the individual. Now when the anti-Christ comes, I believe he may try and use this method to come back to life after he gets that "head wound" that kills him as the Bible says.

So if someone where cloned, why wouldn't they have a spirit and soul?

Raelians don't believe in any soul. To say that cloning is the anti-christ is quite silly. It's usually those that don't understand a shred of science that make statements like this.

Cloning will be the key to immortality, and immortality will be achievable through science one day. True that memory transfer can't happen today, but don't say that it will never work. Keep in mind that whenever somebody says that it will never work or can't be done, that others elsewhere are thinking about it and working on it. These are the true geniuses of society.

The greatest dream of the Elohim is to see humanity create a paradise, or heaven, here on Earth, and that is the dream I want to be part of.

reply to post by jimmyjackblack


ok but if they clone someone and it is a unique person with its own soul, then Imagine how incredibly horrible it is for them to try to impose their brain into this unique individual.

It sounds like pure evil to me.

reply to post by Bigwhammy


Yes that would be a horrible thing, but not to worry, for someone to try and transfer the memory from one brain to another they need to be able to create a computer or machine that can exceed a quantum computer. The brain in part is a quantum computer, it has these things in it called nano tubes, and they work ona quantum level, kinda like the pads on the feet of a gecko, although those tubes are much larger they work on close to a quantum level, the pads actually molecularly bond with the surface of an object. That my friend shows the awesome designing abilities of God.

reply to post by ThreeNF


I never said it was the anti-Christ, I did say that it would be something the anti-Christ would use though, but cloning it's self is not the anti-Christ .
The biggest and badest problem you guys will run into though is the mind transfer though. How long do you think it will be til ya'll will be able to do this? Are the three steps to "eternal life" things needed to be met before the "aliens" come to co-habitate with us?

-Jimmy