Originally posted by SonicInfinity
To comment on the topic at hand, the piece of data that interests me the most is the frost. If that picture is real, then that proves without a shadow of a doubt that life exists on Mars, whether it be advanced or not.

How does frost prove that live exists?

Frost does not need any living creature to exist, they are completely independent things.

PS: I also find it a bit strange so many stars for so few posts, maybe this is a conspiracy to promote this specific thread.

Life as we know it probable does exist eslewhere when the necessary components that support our life forms are present. What interest me are the possiblities of other life forms that exist with different components for their existence such as, heat, water, air, and light.

To be honest, even if they found small lizzards and bugs on Mars, I wouldn't be very impressed. What I'm interested in, is the intelligent life on Mars, like humanoids and stuff..Though it's very, very unlikely we have it there.

[edit on 5-4-2008 by Breadfan]

Yeah I gotta call B.S on anyone who says that they would be excited to find bugs or lizards on mars... (which is possible)
That would change everything if some simple lifeforms can survive there!

great thread btw.. lol... think I might have said that once already.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Neiby
On Mars, everything would seem to have more red and less blue in it.

Feel free to adjust the colors so that everything appears as it would on Earth, but just remember what you're doing. That isn't actually how things would look on Mars.

So why does Mars have to look red? One explanation is that the planet's soil is rich in iron oxide, but there's much debate as to why the mineral is so ubiquitous in the Martian environment.

That said, why does the sky have a reddish tinge? Probably due to dust storms? Whatever the reasons I've trotted out, take a look at the screen behind the speakers at a symposium at JPL after the Rover's success. Check out the colors in one of the first pics taken by it on Mars. And what you see below this is NASA's current version of the same image!

Courtesy: curiousconspiracy

So what's up with NASA? Why are they screwing around with the pictures? Because they want to show Mars as a desolate red desert-scape devoid of any moisture and therefore any probability of life! Q.E.D.

[edit on 5-4-2008 by mikesingh]

Mike the reason I think NASA is screwing around with the color of the Martonian sky and terrain is I believe we humans from Earth are already on Mars. If NASA presents photos looking like the planet is breathable plus habitable we could have an all out race by other countries on Earth for Mars and that is the last thing they want.

I believe the powers in charge of the secret missions to Mars feel like they will lose total control of what is actually going on on Mars. Most humans on Earth would freak out if they knew what is actually going on presently and in the past on Mars.

The recent focus is to go back to the Earth's Moon but in reality we need to openly go to Mars where life exists openly already. The argument is that we need to launch manned missions from our Moon to reach Mars and I say no we do not. The secret treaties already in place with the Martonians and greys on Mars would be in jeopardy with the secret G-5 and secret bases. Rik Riley



[edit on 5-4-2008 by rikriley]

As usual I am totally blown away by your detail and original style. One question (if you have time), why do they never seem to go out near the mountains in the distance? With any possible runoff would that be the ideal place to look for evidence?

Originally posted by rikriley
If NASA presents photos looking like the planet is breathable plus habitable we could have an all out race by other countries on Earth for Mars and that is the last thing they want.

Yeah, wouldn't want that.....remember what happened when the Jamaicans discovered bobsledding.....

Originally posted by ArMaP
Frost does not need any living creature to exist, they are completely independent things.

But in every other place where we have found water, we have found life. This could be an exception, but the odds point to there being life.

Originally posted by ArMaP
PS: I also find it a bit strange so many stars for so few posts, maybe this is a conspiracy to promote this specific thread.

It could be. Perhaps the admin has the power to instantly add 50 flags and stars to a thread at will.

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
But in every other place where we have found water, we have found life. This could be an exception, but the odds point to there being life.

And how do you know that this is frozen water and not CO2, like NASA says?

There are no known living creatures that can live in those conditions.

Originally posted by Essan
Evidence of life on Mars is not proof of life on Mars.

thats right... the evidence of biological byproducts
~such as methane~ is not proof of existing biological life.

with NASA & the others, even if there was 'evidence' that
what the probes are testing- could logically be organic life
(even lowly life like bacteria)...the scientists would not dare
proclaim the results as 'Life' until there was a hands-on examination & further testing


The protocols and rigorous proofs which science needs,
is not available with remote instruments on an alien terrain,

so whatever interpeted results are sent back to Earth from the Mars rovers, are only interesting data. No self respecting scientist will say
'that there is definitely Life on Mars , now or in the past...

even though it is generally accepted(among enlightened thinkers & scientists) that a form of life has possibly developed there on Mars... independently.

Thanks for sharing the truth. We should have known that all planets have liquid, and life. No one can exist without life.

Ah there is the the wizard of findings himself mikesingh finding more information on mars and other space anomolies. Look who also joined the party ArMaP!

Anyway, great find mike though I'm sure some scientist might not say it's scientific if there is/aren't any statics shown within these reports. :p you know how scientist love there statics!

Anyway Star'd+Flag'd

I don't really have much to add, but another great thread mike! I'm really looking forward to seeing you as the new CM!

What motivation does NASA have to keep the truth about Mars (or anything else for that matter) under wraps?

The new information would challenge the status quo. We would no longer be the center of the universe like some believe. Not long ago it was accepted as fact that the planet was flat.

I can't wait till civilians get a chance to go to space and explore (or at least independent journalists).

Interesting thread.

That being said, here it comes. None of us truly knows what is going on.
We all rely on the "Media Construct" to inform us of anything.

Mankind is developed on the notion of deception, and diversion. Think of when you were all children, wanting or not wanting something. Lies, all lies. For gain, or to be unpunished.

Who has proof, that anything a multibillion dollar for profit organization, says is truth.

Do not spout ethics.

We will always see(until sed choose not to) what we are spoonfed on T.V.
Do you live on Mars? Have you experimented there?

No, but NASA says.
No, But NASA says.

What is NASA a part of?
Excuse me, what does the acronym of NASA, mean?

Uh...national"Blah""Blah""administration.



Nay sayers, poo pooers, step back.
None of us knows, unless you work with the the ones in the know.
If you (claim to be in the know on any of these threads/forums and are dumping truth into the civy web, I wish you kudos and luck.)

It takes money, major money. To be in the know, or being so caught up in sci-ops and the black, that you have no choice.

Even if average, worldwide peoples, had the knowledge, of all secreted things. Do you think, life, would continue in its declining decadence. Or come to an anarchists stance.

My Father survived the Korean conflict, including the Chosin.
He was a triple first marine. Although a reserve, sent in with the fodder, and spent over his time, as a marine.
I can not access any national database on his service.
My point, he told me, one day man will know when he is ready. And that, some mysteries were not to be known.
His wisdom, and vagueness,, spoke volumes, as to what we do not know.
To understand my rant you would need to know me.

And, I guess that gets us back to square one.
Which is, we are all sheep.