Originally posted by Incarnated
reply to post by Gazrok
Well I was speaking of a future context when "Aliens" really start being active amongs humanity.
You still refuse to understand. Those beings created the life that evolved into mankind. They've watched humanity grow. It's in their job
discription. They are NOT in our house. If anything we are in their LAB.
I think what gazork was attempting to do, is get you to finally take responsibility for your extraordinary claims. It helps the reader so much more
when we are all on the same page, especially where understanding the english vernacular of the terms "Invasion vs Intervention".
The thread creator (YOU) pre-supposes the readers (US) either doesn't know the defintion OR doesn't know the difference between the two.
Hence the assumed trap in the title "You say invasion I say intervention"
Gazork wasn't attempting to understand what YOU say he refuses to, he was attempting to draw attention to the presumptuous title that forces one to
engage in this dialogue at an automatic dis-advantage putting us in the role of the one saying Invasion.
So the first thing we have to do is establish where we stand on the two defintions BEFORE any substantive dialogue can even begin.
It is YOU who (as usual) fails to understand that Gazork was only attempting to correct that pre-supposition by clarifying what the difference is and
that he in fact KNOWS the difference. Establishing that first would then force the thread creator (YOU) to discuss the topic without the automatic
presumption, where you are seen as the authority.
This works by virtue of having NOT ONLY the correct definition between the two, but the Correct Context as well.
Saying "You say Tomato and I say Tommato" is the same when it comes to eating them you both will be eating a red juicy vegetable HOWEVER
Essentially all Gazork is attempting to get YOU to understand is that HE KNOWS that Invasion means THIS
the act of invading; the act of an army that invades for
conquest or plunder any entry into an area not previously
occupied; "an invasion of tourists"; "an invasion of locusts"
And Intervention means THIS
the act of intervening (as to mediate a dispute)
a policy of intervening in the affairs of other countries
(law) a proceeding that permits a person to enter into a
lawsuit already in progress;
No one here says, what we say, regarding the two defintions NOR should we accept being told we are in the title.
Perhaps it would have been wiser to ask which one we think the postulates of this topic would be but that would bring about questions that require
substantiation in essay form, something this thread creator is notorious for avoiding much less providing.
THIS way,, you can just pontificate to us as we trip over dis-contextual intentions of the thread creators Divisive homefield advantage which seeks to
not only tell us what WE SAY but rejects any attempts to correct that.
By putting words in the mouth of readers from the start by assuming we say this or that is an obvious trap Gazork wanted to avoid being pigeon holed
into with gracefull diplomacy. Rather then acknowledege all he was trying to say,, you allege he refused to understand.
This again,, is the thread creator being presumptuous.
If he refused to understand, it sure wasn't because he had known why until you said so posthumously hence the trap, why he tripped on it and that he
wouldn't have if only he didn't refuse to understand.
You still refuse to understand. Those beings created the life that evolved into mankind. They've watched humanity grow. It's in their job
discription. They are NOT in our house. If anything we are in their LAB.
Perhaps you should tell us all about your foregone conclusions so we won't trip over them as we go finding out it was our fault refusing to
understand which only adds insult to injury when you consider how it is taken from the readers perspective.
1) You seem to be making up the rules as you go
2) when we break one of the rules you didn't previously inform us about, we will be blamed for that too i.e. "You refuse to understand" then given
your "new context"
Well I was speaking of a future context when "Aliens" really start being active amongs humanity.
Refusing to understand could quickly result in your own self fulfilled prophecy but to be more specific,,,
Readers will quickly refuse to listen
to another thing
you say
- Con
[edit on 28-2-2008 by Conspiriology]
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