How many you believe that 9/11 was an inside job?of

I think there's substantial evidence that the 9/11 attacks were not executed by those that we've been inculcated by the corporate western media to believe did it.

I read Mike Rupert's Crossing the Rubicon about a year after 9/11, and I must say I was pretty convinced by his argument. If nothing else, it certainly calls the legitimacy of the Keane Commission report into question.

Loose Change also offers legitimate space for a critical questioning of the status quo understanding of what transpired on that day.

I don't claim to know what happened, but I do keep my mind open to a variety of possibilities. While I suppose the official line on what occurred could be reality, that is probably the belief to which I have the most trouble subscribing.

Given Secretary Mineta's testimony in front of Lee Hamilton, I think there's at the very least reasonable evidence to assume Dick Cheney was very much a part of what happened on that day.

Additionally, Larry Silverstein had to have known something given that he owned at least one of the buildings that collapsed, and had recently taken out a considerably larger insurance policy on the building. Coincidence, perhaps - but, a rather convenient one if you ask me.

Where are the pieces of the plane that hit the pentagon?

Also, as Rupert discusses in his book - the shear amount of money some anonymous folks made on put stock options was way behind the margin of error for a random occurrence.

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People knew this was going to happen; some of them were government insiders. And, most importantly, as a previous poster has discussed, this event is the origin of much of the destructive domestic and foreign policy that we've seen over the last 7 years. This is why this is an important issue. This is why it is the most important issue.

Originally posted by Attari
There was planes...with exception to the pentagon. ...spend more time looking at the evidence with an open mind...

Attari, Attari — what makes you say that? Why do you STILL think there were planes on 9-11?
After your five years of research you ought to know better… Just as you suggested, look at the evidence (there is none) with an open mind!

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

Is it possible that Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and friends truly were ignorant of the impending 9/11 attacks? Take a look at this timeline of events leading up to 9/11 and decide for yourself.

To begin with, most people are unaware that the Bush and bin Laden families have been close friends and colleagues for a long time. Back in 1976 Osama’s older brother Salim bin Laden invested $50,000 in George. W. Bush’s budding Arbusto Energy Company. They met through fellow CIA employee and Bush family friend Jim Bath who handled all the bin Laden family’s American investments. By the late 1970’s the Bush’s and bin Laden’s were already owning oil companies and airports together. Larry Klayman, President of Judicial Watch, among others has confirmed that the Bush family also vacations with the bin Ladens and usually stays at their home when they are in Saudi Arabia.

“How many know that the Bush family and the Bin Laden family have long been extremely close? Or that the former head of the family construction business, Salem bin Laden, brother of Osama, ,was an investor in President Bush's first oil company? Or that an investor in a later Bush company was Khalid bin Mahfouz, an associate of Bin Laden, who was named by the US State Department during the Clinton administration as a funder of the al-Qaeda terrorist network? Or that al-Qaeda was funded into existence by the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan? Or that the 'al-Qaeda' tunnel systems in Afghanistan were built by Bin Laden Construction with CIA money funnelled through Pakistan military intelligence, the ISI, which is the CIA branch in Pakistan?” -David Icke, “Tales from the Time Loop”

Since the late 1980’s the Bush’s and bin Laden’s have also worked together in the Carlyle Group, Washington DC’s largest private equity firm, which deals in the industries of Aerospace/Defense, Automotive, Consumer/Retail, Energy/Power, Healthcare, Real Estate, Technology, Telecommunications/Media and Transportation. In 1998 and 2000 George Bush Sr. traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the Carlyle Group and met with the bin Laden family. Then on the morning of September 11th, as the planes were heading for the towers, George Bush Sr actually sat in the Washington Ritz-Carlton hotel at a Carlyle Group meeting with Osama’s brother, Shafig bin Laden! The London Observer reported on this 6/22/02: “On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama." The Wall Street Journal later called for Bush Sr. to resign from Carlyle Group. He never did, but for fear of bad publicity, the bin Laden family formally sold their investments back to the firm in October, 2001. They went on national TV calling Osama the black sheep of the family, effectively disowned and washed their hands of responsibility for him. Nowadays Bin Laden Construction still builds most United States military bases in the Middle East, North Africa, and Central Asia, including the bases in Iraq.

“The Carlyle Group also has very close links with the bin Laden family, who have been both clients and investors. Father Bush has been a paid consultant to the Bin Laden Group. Reports in the Wall Street Journal say these Carlyle investments have been earning the Bin Laden family some 40% a year on their money since 1995.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” (83)

“The Carlyle Group is the biggest defense contractor on the planet and the majority owners are the Bush family and the bin Laden family. Both families are profiting hundreds of billions of dollars off America’s foreign policy and Carlyle’s earnings continue to raise since 9/11.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

Osama bin Laden was the 17th of 52 sons of construction baron Mohammed bin Laden. Back in 1979 The CIA paid Osama to recruit and train Al-Quieda fighters. When Bush became CIA director in the 1980’s they recruited Osama, Al-Quieda, and the Taliban in Afghanistan to run their opium trade. Everything changed however on Dec. 4th, 1997, when American oil barons proposed the Afghanistan oil line to the Taliban who turned it down after demanding too large a share. A BBC headline from that day read, “Representatives of the Taliban are in Texas Visiting the Headquarters of Unicol.” The proposed pipeline was to be built by Halliburton, whose CEO at the time was none other than Dick Cheney. Shortly after this the media bagan labeling the Taliban as terrorists.

In 1999 NORAD performed excercises in which hijacked airliners were used as weapons to crash into targets, one of which being the World Trade Center. A USA Today article from March 18th, 2004 read, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties. One of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center.”

In September of 2000, Rebuilding America’s Defences was published by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and others from the Project for a New American Century team. In it they said regarding their plans for the middle-east that “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor.”

On October 24, 2000, MASCAL was a Pentagon training excercise that simulated a Boeing 757 crashing into the building. Back in 1989, Charles Burlingame, an Ex-Navy F-4 pilot who worked at the Pentagon for 17 years, also participated in an earlier version of MASCAL crashing simulated planes into the Pentagon. Burlingame retired from the Navy into a job at American Airlines. Twelve years later on 9/11 it was none other than Charles Burlingame’s Boeing 757 AA flight 77 that was supposedly hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon.

In Januray 2001 FBI deputy director John O’Neill went public that the Bush administration (and Clinton’s) had ordered the FBI to back off investigations of bin Laden and Al-Quieda.

“The next piece of evidence you are about to read is the biggest smoking gun of all.
President George W. Bush signed secret National Security order No. W199-eye telling FBI agents as well as defense intelligence officers that if they tried to stop Al-Qaeda they would be arrested under national security implications … This secret, leaked document has been in many publications, including BBC News Online, Agence France-Press, and the London Guardian. Lawsuits have now been filed by FBI agents who were outraged by the fact that they were not allowed to stop Al-Qaeda. The global crime syndicate that George W. Bush and his family work for has everything to gain from the September 11 attacks: a national ID card, a national control grid and a cashless society. It’s part of the public record. George W. Bush signed the documents threatening defense intelligence and FBI agents with arrest if they stopped Al-Qaeda. This is the most absolutely treasonous, treacherous thing he could possibly do.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

FBI director John O’Neill was so furious that he quit after the Bush administration blocked his investigation of Osama bin Laden. He was then “generously” offered a position in the private sector working as Kroll head of security. Marvin Bush was director of SecuraCom/Kroll which provided electronic security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles airport - all three of which were involved in the 9/11 attacks. The head of security position offered to Mr. O’Neill was for the World Trade Center. His first week on the job was the week of September 11th, 2001.

“CNN’s ‘American Morning with Paula Zahn’ reported that FBI deputy director John O’Neill resigned because he felt the U.S. administration was obstructing the FBI in their attempts to stop Al-Qaeda (CNN, January 8, 2002, ‘Explosive New Book Published in France Alleges that U.S. Was in Negotiations to Do a Deal with Taliban’). The show went on to report that Bush signed W199-eye restricting the investigation. Again, this is high treason and absolute fact. George W. Bush signed this publicly reported document. The BBC has a copy of it. The body of evidence is conclusive. George W. Bush is an intimate partner with bin Laden and a traitor to America … We have already talked about FBI Deputy Director John O’Neill quitting because George Bush signed the order forbidding him to stop Al-Qaeda. The reason for his not going public now? Mr. O’Neill is dead. His new job was head of security for the World Trade Center complex and he died in the collapse of September 11, his first day on the job.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

Back in 1996 and 1998 the Sudanese twice tried to arrest bin Laden, but Clinton also ordered his release. This was reported in Los Angeles Times, the London Times, Worldnetdaily, the Village Voice and other mainstream sources.

“The truth is that the Central Intelligence Agency, controlled by Wall Street, has been grooming Bin Laden and his family over the last fifty years to carry out dangerous projects in the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa. Back in 1996, according to the Times of India, the CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the Taliban (Times of India, March 7, 2001: “CIA Worked in Tandem with Pak to Create Taliban”). Then in 1998, when the Afghans offered to arrest bin Laden, the CIA responded by publicly telling them to do no such thing. They needed this bogeyman for one more big action (Washington Post, October 29, 2001: “Diplomats Met with Taliban on Bin Laden— Some Content U.S. Missed Chance”). Through all of this, Bin Laden’s family was being rewarded with giant satellite company deals, oil company mergers, and some of the biggest construction projects in the world.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

In May 2001 the Bush administration gave $43 million in aid to the Taliban. In June German intelligence, the BND, warned the CIA that “middle-eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial airlines to use as weapons to attack America.” In July, George J. Tenet, director of the CIA warned Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor, of the imminant Al-Quieda attack but “failed to persuade her to take action.” On July 4th, 2001, Osama bin Laden, wanted since 1999, was on dialysis at an American hospital in Dubai where he was visited by the local chief of the CIA.

“Shortly after September 11, witnesses came forward documenting for the record the fact that bin Laden met with the CIA Section Chief for ten days in Dubai in the American hospital. French intelligence was so upset by what they had learned that they purposely published media reports prior to September 11 specifically warning that bin Laden was planning to hijack aircraft and fly them into tall buildings in downtown Manhattan as well as the Pentagon (This Is London, October 31, 2001: ‘CIA agent ‘met Bin Laden in July’; Ananova, October 31, 2001, ‘Bin Laden 'met CIA agent before terror attacks’; Le Figaro, October 31, 2001, ‘La CIA aurait rencontré Ben Laden en juillet’).” –Alex Jones “911 Descent into Tyranny”

On July 24th, World Trade Center owner Larry Silverstein took out a $3.5 billion insurance policy on the entire complex which specifically covered acts of terrorism. On August 6th, President Bush’s own daily debriefing memo was headed “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States.” Also in August the FBI arrested a Muslim militant linked to bin Laden in Boston. French intelligence confirmed the connection and the FBI learned he had been taking flying lessons and possessed Boeing aircraft and flight training manuals. Later in August Russian President Vladimir Putin himself ordered Russian intelligence to warn the US government of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings. Putin later stated "I ordered my intelligence to warn President Bush in the strongest terms that 25 terrorists were getting ready to attack the US, including important government buildings like the Pentagon." The head of Russian intelligence said himself, "we had clearly warned them [the US] on several occasions.” Israel’s MOSSAD intelligence agency also met with the CIA in August regarding the proposed 9/11 attacks.

“Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak says that he gave the United States specific warnings that something big was going to happen in New York 12 days prior to September 11th. In an interview in December of 2001, he stated, ‘We expected that something was going to happen and informed the Americans. We told them.’
Other warnings were ignored from Russia, Israel, Germany, and France. On September 14, 2001 Ananova news service reported that German police confirmed that an Iranian deportee phoned warnings to US police agencies including the Secret Service about the impending attack on the World Trade Center. A month before the attacks, Israel intelligence warned US intelligence of Al-Qaeda plans to attack highly visible targets like the Pentagon, World Trade Center, White House and CIA Headquarters. Doctor Tatyana Koryagina, a leading Russian economist in Vladymir Putin’s inner circle, in an interview with Pravda on July 12, 2001, stated that America was a giant financial iceberg and that a private $300 trillion group working towards world government was going to launch an attack on the US financial system. During this interview she also stated that the attack would come in the next few months.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

“An anonymous listener to a Cayman Islands radio station wrote a letter two weeks before the attack which was passed on to a Cayman government official.
The letter stated that agents of Osama bin Laden had entered the US and were
about to carry out an attack via an airline or airlines.” -Paul Joseph Watson, “Order Out of Chaos” (80-1)

Just a week before 9/11, WTC occupants Zim Israeli Shipping Company suspiciously broke their lease, packed up, and moved out after paying a $50,000 penalty for breaking their contract. Then on Sept. 6th, there were 4 times the normal amount of put-options (bets to go down) placed on United Airlines stock. The next day more than 5 times the usual put volume was placed on Boeing stock. And on Sept. 10th, American Airlines had nearly 11 times its daily put average. No other airlines showed such anomalies. CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard was implicated along with a few other CIA-related investment firms as being the one who placed the UA put-options, but as of yet, no further investigations have been made.

“Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the
impending attack on September 10th and cancelled their flights for the next day.
This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack
and the method of using jetliners as bombs.” -Paul Joseph Watson, “Order Out of Chaos” (87)

Not only did a group of top Pentagon officials cancel their 9/11 flights, Mayor Willie Brown, Authr Salmon Rushdie, and Attorney General John Ashcroft all said they were specifically warned not to fly. None of them will divulged sources, but Brown said he was warned by an unspecified federal agency, Rushdie was temporarily banned by the FAA, and Ashcroft cited an FBI threat assessment saying he had been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

During a CBS interview with Dan Rather, Tom Kennedy, a spokesman for FEMA’s “National Urban Search and Rescue Team” let it slip that they were sent out to New York City on September 10th! Tom Kennedy said to Dan Rather, “We're currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York in this disaster. We arrived on late Monday night and went right into action on Tuesday morning.”

“The National Security Agency intercepted two messages on September 10th
indicating a significant event was to take place the next day. The messages were
in Arabic and stated, ‘tomorrow is zero hour’ and ‘the match begins tomorrow.’
The majority of communication took place between Khalid Shaikh, one of the
chief 9/11 planners, and Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. NSA intercepts also
detected multiple phone calls from Abu Zubaida, bin Laden's chief of operations,
to the United States. Over thirty messages in all had been received by the NSA
from May to September, indicating an imminent attack.” -Paul Joseph Watson, “Order Out of Chaos” (87)

Unbelievably, with all these warnings, relationships, covert ops, and examples of foreknowledge, the Bush administration claimed (and continues to claim) complete ignorance regarding the 9/11 attacks. On that very morning, once again NORAD/FAA were running suspicious drills. Operation Vigilant Guardian and Northern Vigilance moved NY/DC fighter planes hundreds of miles away where they performed training excercises involving hijacked planes! British MP and Blair cabinet minister Michael Meacher in the London Guardian said, “The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8:20am, and the last jihacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9:38am. Why not?” The FAA and NORAD essentially stood down that morning. Any other day, when planes go off course, fast-movers are scrambled within 10 minutes to liason. That is standard procedure and had already happened 67 times in 2001 alone. Why was 9/11 any different?

When giving evidence to the 9/11 Congressional Commission, Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta stated that Dick Cheney knew of the plane heading for the Pentagon, but purposely ordered the stand down: “There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, ‘the plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out,’ and when it got down to ‘the plane is 10 miles out ,’ the young man also said to the vice president, ‘do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?’ Well, at the time I didn’t know what all that meant.” Norman Mineta’s testimony was completely ignored by the Kean Commission report.

I can go on and on and on ... if anybody out there reading this has not woken up to the undeniable truth that 9/11 was an inside job, watch Loose Change Final Cut. Watch Terrorstorm. Learn about Operation Northwoods, google it.

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That's good stuff Freight. Those of you interested in the above posts should also check out Crossing the Rubicon by Mike Rupert. It is a 6 or 700 page exhaustive analysis of the gaping holes in the Keane Commission report. I found it to be sourced quite well, and without much in the way of evidence-less theorizing.

I've also heard "The New Pearl Harbor" is a fine text on this subject.

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I think it's important that these ideas are, at the very least, grappled with amongst people that have an open enough mind to debate and discuss them. While I don't want to pull a chicken little, if these attacks were perpetrated by powerful individuals in our own governance structures, it's not unlikely that we will be in for another false flag attack in the near future.

I've heard the top three targets for such a mission would be Chicago, Houston, and Portland. I believe the individual that has written rather extensively on this topic is a former military intelligence analyst named Eric May. That could be wrong.

Former White House counter-terrorism expert Richard Clarke told Vanity Fair that on the days following 9/11, when all commercial flights were down, the Bush administration allowed at least four private flights with about 140 Saudis, including over 20 members of the bin Laden family to escape the US without being interviewed or interrogated by the FBI. Not long after, it came out that many of the supposed hijackers were/are still alive.

“As is now well known, at least eight of the September 11 ‘suicide hijackers' either died before the event or are actually still alive. This isn't some kind of Internet conspiracy theory; it's been reported in mainstream media across the world. Furthermore, four of the five named Flight 11 hijackers are still alive and could not have been on the plane that hit the north tower. Beside the fact that according to their flight school instructors they could barely fly a Cessna, never mind a Boeing 767.” -Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (98)

It has been confirmed that 7 of the alleged hijackers are still alive and well. Another one had died already in 2000. The Bush administration and Kean report have nothing to say on this matter. On top of this, September 15th, 2001 it came out in Newsweek that 5 of the, “Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at US Bases.” Shortly after, the Pensacola News Journal confirmed that 3 of the hijackers were trained at the Pensacola NAS in 1999. In the following months it got out that the CIA had been tracking 2 of the hijackers for 4 years and had actually helped getting visas for all 19.

“It emerged in May of 2002 that the Central Intelligence Agency had officers and assets shadowing two of the hijackers. Newsweek ran the headline, ‘The Hijackers We Let Escape,’ reporting the fact that the CIA followed these two men into Malaysia where they had a meeting with senior leaders of the Al-Qaeda in 2000. The CIA flew out of Los Angeles closely tracking Al-Qaeda-Pakistani Intelligence useful idiots Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar. Both men attended what the FBI called an Al-Qaeda summit. The American people were shocked to learn that the CIA had been following the hijackers for four years. Even after their meeting in 2000 with the leadership of the Al-Qaeda, Alhazmi and Almihdhar were allowed to return to the United States and to enroll in flight schools. Reports in the BBC and the Washington Times confirmed that the CIA had pressured US Embassies abroad and the INS to issue visas for all 19 of the hijackers.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

The government claims that the lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta’s suitcase was accidentally not loaded onto the flight that day. Inside it, investigators say they found the Quran, a video on how to fly commercial planes, and a fuel-consumption indicator. The night before he also accidentally left a Quran in a Florida strip club. Then another Quran and Arabic flight manuals were found in his rental car. Why didn’t he take a taxi? If he was such an Islamic extremist, about to take his life for his religion, why was he at a strip club? And why did he bring his Quran inside? It also came out that that Mohammad Atta was wired $100,000 by the CIA through the ISI.

“One of the biggest smoking guns to indicate that the terrorist attack was an
inside job is the CIA’s direct connection with the hijackers via Pakistan ISI
Director General Mahmoud Ahmad. General Mahmoud Ahmad instructed Ahmad
Umar Sheikh to hotwire $100,000 to the 9/11 lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta.
On September 11th, Ahmad was a guest of former clandestine CIA officer and
CFR member Rep. Porter Goss and Skull and Bones/CFR member Senator Bob
Graham. Since September 4th, he had met with top brass at the CIA, the
Pentagon and the White House, including Colin Powell, Richard Armitage,
Joseph Biden and George Tenet.” -Paul Joseph Watson, “Order Out of Chaos” (93)

In a statement issued to Al Jazeera just days after the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden said, “The US government has consistently blamed me for being behind every [attack]. I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seem to have been planned by people for personal reasons.” Weeks later Japanese, Chinese, and Indian news reports all confirmed Osama’s death, but then on December 14th, 2001, the US government came out with “The Bin Laden Confession Tapes,” starring someone whom we are told is Osama bin Laden, yet looks and acts nothing like him. His beard changes color, his skin darkens and his face fattens. He is actually seen signing a paper with his right hand, even though Osama bin Laden is left handed. He claims responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and said he did so because he “hates our freedom.” This fake Osama is still alive and well hiding in the caves of sheeple’s minds world-wide.

“Now President Bush is seeking to restrict Capitol Hill probes. He had Dick Cheney call six separate congressional committees and threaten them, telling them not to investigate September 11 (Washington Post, January 30, 2002, “Bush Seeks to Restrict Hill Probes of Sept. 11”).” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

It took 9 days until an investigation was ordered into the Pearl Harbour attack.
It took 7 days until an investigation was ordered into the Kennedy assassination
It took 7 days until an investigation was ordered into the Challenger disaster.
It took 6 days until an investigation was ordered into the sinking of the Titanic.
It took 411 days until an investigation was ordered into the 9/11 attacks.

$75 million was allocated for the 1986 Challenger disaster investigation.
$50 million was allocated for the 2004 Columbia disaster investigation.
$40 million was allocated for Clinton-Lewinsky investigation.
Only $14 million was allocated for the 9/11 Commission.

Is this the kind of effort shown by a government in support of a thorough investigation into these attacks? Once the government finally agreed to an “investigation,” Bush originally appointed war criminal Henry Kissenger of all people to lead the commission! This alone should have been a red flag as to how “investigative” the commission whitewash would be. Kissenger quickly stepped down due to public pressure.

No question in my mind 9/11 was a false-flag operation to gain " we the people of america's " support for the war in Iraq. As I watch the towers come down that day, I wanted to see NUKES!!!! Apparently some people still hold these feelings, and won't admit they were tricked into these feelings by the perputrators and the MSM.

9/11 was all about $$, WAR/OIL. imho.

Who exactly did it, and exactly how it was done I don't know, I have a few good ideas though, they have been mentioned in this thread.

What I do know though, is that the "official" story isn't true.

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what about some straight answers?

i have absolutely no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was in fact an inside job!

and i also believe that there is much more to come... recall my words...

Despite the fact that I don't have one piece of cold hard solid evidence where a Government official or anyone in the Government says "well done boys, we did it".. till that time we will just have to wait for a Whistleblower.

My reasoning would be that the US government and military has a long and prestigious history of being the modern masters of false flag operations, as is well documented, declassified and beyond any doubt. Next, I have a serious problem trying to work out the probability of every facet of the US Defence system simultaneously collapsing into a screaming heap of useless BS at precisely the same moment. Can somebody do the math and work out the odds of that? Admittedly, the chances are increased when there are three seperate military excercises involving the simulation of planes being hilacked and flown into buildings on the same morning that real planes are being hijacked and flown into buildings. Can somebody also work out the chances of that happening? If the US military and government were completely innocent, I bet they sat around that aftenoon saying "I guess we picked the wrong day to send all those fighter jets to Alaska and Canada while we flooded the radar screens with all those mock hijack blips! How embarrasing!"

Then there's all those geniuses at FEMA and NIST, who took 3 years to come up with the "pancake theory" and then about 6 months to reject it. Maybe because it came up looking more like the "donut theory," or more precisely, the "swiss cheese theory." Aren't these the guys who everyone claims are the "peer reviewed" masters of all that is logical, scientific and thorough? Even then, their theories stop at the moment of impending collapse. C'mon guys, don't be coy, apparently there's a whole bunch of students and random guys on internet forums who KNOW what caused the complete collapse of 3 buildings that day, and they've got the maths and physics to prove it. Yet the experts stop at the moment of impending collapse on 2 out of 3 buildings, and offer a shrug and a scratch of the head on the third one. And these are the experts that many will cite as the only authority they will take seriously. To whom I would say...."Oh dear, you're in trouble!"

Next, Osama. The FBI say they've got no hard evidence that he was involved. But the invasion of Afghanistan hinged on him being guilty. Again, that's embarrasing, except if you're Afghani, in which case it is potentially lethal for your entire family. Perhaps the US authorities should have asked his family members "Oh, by the way, have you seen Osama lately?" while they were flying them to safety a few days after the event. I'm surprised the FBI didn't think of that.

So to me, the options seem to be to believe in one of two conspiracy theories, either a conspiracy seeded in the caves of Afghanistan, or in the corridors of power in the US. In order to believe the first one, I must also then believe in the "Really Unfortunate Plethora of Interconnected Fatal Coincidences Theory," as documented in the 9/11 Commission Report. I would then also have to accept that when NORAD lied about the events of that day, and changed their story three times, it was accidental. To believe all of that would require a lot of faith in a room full of guys who have proven themselves, by their actions, to be a bunch of deceptive, greedy, self serving, lying hounds. It seems much more reasonable to me that 9/11 was an inside job, orchestrated by the lineage of the declassified, documented masters of false flag deception. Quid Bono? The neo-cons, at every step.

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Talk about defenses collapsing, because they were running drills that very same day, on the very thing that happened to occure....

The 7-7 Bombings in the UK are a near mirror image of what "breakdown" of defenses occured on 9/11. Too many coincidences imo. I don't believe in coincedences of that magnitude.

It's like the guy who's 3 wives all died by drowning, and he's claiming innocence on the 3rd, after haveing gotten away with the first 2.

Although G Dubya can't quote the phrase cause he's as dumb as a stump. I will.

"Fool me once shame on YOU, Fool me twice shame on ME." Write that down dubya, I know it's alot to remember, and when you lie so much it's hard to keep all you lies in order, with what you seeing the first plane impact on live television. You must have your very own Television/Cable sattelites ect. Bold face Lies, all that comes out of that guys mouth.



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If any of you have read Sleeper's thread "I'm coming clean on Extra-Terrestrials", you'll find his insite on 9/11 which I found relatively disturbing, but probably true.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
5th POSTING ON THE ABOVE LINK...Great Thread!!!

As for me....I'm another "no-planer" since I watched "September Clues" and many other videos showing the "live" footage played on TV for everyone that day, i.e. FOX, CNN, Good Day NY, etc....Bottom line...Osama didn't do it!! This is quite obvious by now but you'll never convince the Kool-Aid drinking Bush lovers in this country.
Cheers!!


Purduegrad05

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I'm right there with you Attari!

It was organized by the corrupt American Government. Its not about seeing the truth, but about accepting what it truly is. Everyone KNOWS that there are many many things that just don't fit, now I won't spend my time explaining what these issues are, you all know what they are. From ignored facts, to censored information, we all know something does not smell right!

Simply think deep down inside of you, what it is you feel about this situation and you will find the answer.

Unfortunately those in power think that its what the country needed to stay alive. What runs your economy? WAR...what happens when there is no real enemy... NO war, thus = bad economy. Think I am wrong, take a look at the US budget After 9/11, we got a whole load of FEAR and more, a new enemy that never dies, thus the machine keeps rolling, until the people realize how ignorant they are.

Don't get me wrong, I feel the pain of those who lost many loved ones, I actually think it is because people do not feel the pain of others that we are in such a predicament. A lot of people simply don't care and it is this that is killing us. They don't want you to care, because the collective consciousness of all would break the bonds that hold you.

You can argue until you are blue in the face, the smell of corruption is now simply to thick to change the course of things. Critical mass will hit its peak and like Cypress Hill would say when the s%^t goes down, you better be ready!

US does not stand for freedom, nor does it stand for peace!
The American dreamed used to seem like a nice dream, not to me, not anymore!

Peace on earth my friends!

What in the world is the point of this thread?

Isn't this the same damned thread ( with a different title ) that shows up after the CT'rs email each other and say it's time again to bombard ATS with **BS**?

Why ask the question How many you believe that 9/11 was an inside job? and then react with hostility when some one answers you with an opinion that does match your own?

You are no better than George Bush spewing EITHER YOUR WITH US OR AGAINST US, which is exactly what you are doing by raising a question in a thread then berating anyone who disagrees with you.

I almost feel sorry for you for the fact that you are more similar to the people you slander everyday than you even know you are....ALMOST

Dorian Soran

Prove to me that it wasn't an inside job.

The official report from the United States government was full of lies. Until I see a revised report that is 100% correct and true, I won't believe a word that comes from Washington.

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No what I find amazing is the blind loyalty that you brain washed fox viewers seem to show for a president who is a proven liar and whose family and cabinet has profited immensely from the events of 9/11 and the war in Iraq. If you love America soo much you would open your mind and see the BS this corrupt administration is slinging about.

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I can appreciate your reaction to any perceived hostility, which given Attari's reply, might not so much be perceived as actually real. But, if you can, for a moment forgive Attari's brashness, and include yourself in the substantive and reasoned discussion that has also taken place in this thread.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why you find all of this alternative discussion regarding the efficacy of the Keane Commission's report of an unfounded nature? Could you explain to us why you feel that we haven't been lied to, or, at the very least, not told the entire truth?

Perhaps, you can shed some reasoned discursive light on why you support the established story? Why do you trust the media line?

This will foster a healthy debate that we can use to have a real and legitimate discussion about this topic.

Otherwise, we're really getting no where with our differences of opinion.

Originally posted by jedimiller

It's cool to say this now. but guess what? I said this the first day it happened. the same day it happened. I was coming home and my mom was in the kitchen we were both watching the news. the second plane had not even hit the tower when I said, "George Bush did this, he ordered someone to do it". of course, I based everything on my gut feeling at the time and reading "the prince". I knew from day one that Bush needed this excuse to invade iraq. We all knew Bush was going to invade iraq when he did the presidential oath. That was his goal.

Sounds like someone's getting jealous

[edit on 2/25/2008 by Masisoar]

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods

Attari, Attari — what makes you say that? Why do you STILL think there were planes on 9-11?
After your five years of research you ought to know better… Just as you suggested, look at the evidence (there is none) with an open mind!

Umm... where's your evidence there were no planes? That's a very bold theory and questionable because it could point to a disinformation motive

There are still too many questions buzzing around and the US government doesn't seem to be giving any answers. It is like they are covering something up and with everything that has happened as a result of that day I think everyone deserves to know everything that they know. With all the question dodging they seem to be doing, and have done since that day, it's no wonder that all these conspiracy theories have popped up.If there really isn't a conspiracy then why won't the US government just release all the information that they have, or atleast tell everyone why they won't. Or perhaps the real truth is even worse than what the conspiracists are saying and keeping the conspiracies going is better for them than use knowing the real truth.