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Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
How about...
If God exists, would he allow his word to be used as a tool of death and oppression?...
Death and oppression are absolutely required and natural. Imagine if no one ever died? Also oppression, being a service to self concept to achieve power over others balances out the service to others half of the universe, and is required.
Besides, free will means God cannot interfere at all (if he could, we'd know about it by now), NOR can he send you to Heaven/Hell without your permission as that also would violate your free will to go and do as you please.
Besides, if there is no time, then there is no creation and therefore no God.
Nice little contradiction and evasion there.
I specifically asked. If god exists, would he allow his word to be used as a tool for death and oppression? It has nothing to do with balances or keeping the population in check.
Take the bible for instance. The bible is supposed to be gods word. How could humans corrupt gods word? Why would god allow it? If he exists and wants man to know his word, he sure doesn't do a whole lot about false prophets now does he? Given the history, you would think he prefers psychotic humans doing his bidding.
It has nothing to do with free will.
Besides, free will doesn't fit into the whole god equotion anyways. If god has a set plan and knows the outcome already, then free will is false since our fate has already been determined.
The catholic and christian god is a contradiction through and through. He supposedly loves all of his creations, but won't hesitate to send you to a lake of fire where his greatest enemy lives so you can pay for your sins, no matter how trivial.
He also hates gay people. And pride. So he really isn't an all loving being now is he?
He was actually rather violent and blood hungry in the old testament. But us humans decided that was just a little too graphic and showed gods "badside" so we wrote the New Testament.
None of it is believable...
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
How about...
If God exists, would he allow his word to be used as a tool of death and oppression?...
Death and oppression are absolutely required and natural. Imagine if no one ever died? Also oppression, being a service to self concept to achieve power over others balances out the service to others half of the universe, and is required.
Besides, free will means God cannot interfere at all (if he could, we'd know about it by now), NOR can he send you to Heaven/Hell without your permission as that also would violate your free will to go and do as you please.
Besides, if there is no time, then there is no creation and therefore no God.
Nice little contradiction and evasion there.
I specifically asked. If god exists, would he allow his word to be used as a tool for death and oppression? It has nothing to do with balances or keeping the population in check.
Take the bible for instance. The bible is supposed to be gods word. How could humans corrupt gods word? Why would god allow it? If he exists and wants man to know his word, he sure doesn't do a whole lot about false prophets now does he? Given the history, you would think he prefers psychotic humans doing his bidding.
It has nothing to do with free will.
Besides, free will doesn't fit into the whole god equotion anyways. If god has a set plan and knows the outcome already, then free will is false since our fate has already been determined.
The catholic and christian god is a contradiction through and through. He supposedly loves all of his creations, but won't hesitate to send you to a lake of fire where his greatest enemy lives so you can pay for your sins, no matter how trivial.
He also hates gay people. And pride. So he really isn't an all loving being now is he?
He was actually rather violent and blood hungry in the old testament. But us humans decided that was just a little too graphic and showed gods "badside" so we wrote the New Testament.
None of it is believable...
No evasion... any "God" knows what I said, and therefore the answer is YES he would allow oppression, corruption, destruction, hunger, plagues, cataclysms, etc. He cannot NOT allow, as free will has EVERYTHING to do with it. If he didn't allow, he violates free will. Therefore, nothing we do matters AT ALL as God uses us like chess pieces without us ever having a hope of escape.. since he's God. Then everything that exists has absolutely NO meaning except to entertain God. Although, the Bible does say he's self-sufficient and needs no one to entertain him, since he's perfect in himself.
So as you can see, free will has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with God. Having Free Will means God does not exist. Because even if he somehow did exist, he cannot do ANYTHING to anyone without violating free will, so he's useless!
Also, because time does not exist, God automatically cannot exist, since without time there's no Creation. Sorry God, you struck out yet again!
Originally posted by lilblam
But Good and Evil do not exist.. as they are relative and subjective! That solves THAT problem
And if he wants to be Hitler, God has my "blessings". Otherwise he can just piss off and maybe one day he'll learn that he himself doesn't exist. But I think God is too ignorant to learn that much...
[Edited on 23-2-2004 by lilblam]
Originally posted by lilblam
Never said there's something at higher power NOT at work, it's just 4th density service to self lizard aliens, not God.
And like you just said, Good and Evil are relative. GOD defines to you what is GOOD, and all that oppose him must be evil. Haha.
Hitler defined to the Germans what is good, and Jews were in opposition so they MUST be evil. Like I said, it is relative and subjective and does not exist until someone else defines it to you.
The fun part is that you think it's GOD, just because he said so, a book says so, and a bunch of religious authorities say so. But is it really? Could it be aliens who just want to control you and the other sheep? (And do a GREAT job of it btw)
[Edited on 23-2-2004 by lilblam]
Originally posted by lilblam
But Good and Evil do not exist.. as they are relative and subjective! That solves THAT problem
so, if god is all powerful, can he create a hotdog so long even he cudnt eat it? cud he create a drink so potent even he cudnt avoid gettin drunk?
Originally posted by JohnMay
Originally posted by lilblam
Never said there's something at higher power NOT at work, it's just 4th density service to self lizard aliens, not God.
And like you just said, Good and Evil are relative. GOD defines to you what is GOOD, and all that oppose him must be evil. Haha.
Hitler defined to the Germans what is good, and Jews were in opposition so they MUST be evil. Like I said, it is relative and subjective and does not exist until someone else defines it to you.
The fun part is that you think it's GOD, just because he said so, a book says so, and a bunch of religious authorities say so. But is it really? Could it be aliens who just want to control you and the other sheep? (And do a GREAT job of it btw)
[Edited on 23-2-2004 by lilblam]
I suggest that you read the post i made a few days ago titled Marcus Tutor... It basically implies that aliens tell us that they have been manipulating us with religion all along... oh okay. This is what you obviously think. But why stop there? why not go futher? Are these aliens here to help? bullsh#t . Say for a second that God is real and these aliens are evil. they are in the perfect position to deny God's existence. we are in the perfect position to believe them, like SHEEP, as you put it. So the genius in them telling us that they invented God is in the fact that they are not denying His ( supposed faked) existence, but rather disproving His power.
Originally posted by masterp
so, if god is all powerful, can he create a hotdog so long even he cudnt eat it? cud he create a drink so potent even he cudnt avoid gettin drunk?
Of course God can create a hotdog infinitely long. The "he couldn't eat it" part is a mistate. God does not need to eat.
You are making the same mistake as thousands of people before you, even philosophers did:
"Can God create something so immense that he can't handle ?"
Well, God is infinite. Assuming that he can make an infinite object named A, God and infinite object A can't be directly compared!!!
And the above is valid because:
- infinite + infinite = not defined
- infinite - infinite = not defined
- infinite * infinite = not defined
- infinite / infinite = not defined
- infinite < infinite = not defined
- infinite > infinite = not defined
Since mathematical operations and comparisons are not allowed, the argument that one infinity ("God") can manage another infinity ("object A") is invalid.
Originally posted by lilblam
Having Free Will means God does not exist. Because even if he somehow did exist, he cannot do ANYTHING to anyone without violating free will, so he's useless!
Originally posted by Esoterica
Old discussion. Basically, thoguh, you're measuring an omnipotent being by non-omnipotent standards. If God exists, he can make both a hotdog that is too large to eat, and still be able to eat it. An omnipotent being would be immune to contradiction by its very definition.
Originally posted by paperclip
The universe we live in is not ifinite, it will end one day. Stars will burn out and fade away, turn to balck holes, planets will cease to exist. It all follows a sequence of events based on laws of universe from the begining. [Edited on 24-2-2004 by paperclip]