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Originally posted by IvanZana
Call them and find out for yourself. Research this yourself.
You want proof to come in the form of a link from Cnn, not going to happen.
This has been researched and posters coming on and saying "I dont understand", "it cant be real", "nothing to see here" should really be ignored till you research all information for yourself.
[edit on 21-2-2008 by IvanZana]
Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen
That bit of information was a flimsy attempt to assert an authoritative tone of voice overtop your agenda, which fails to address the real issues I might add. Your first-hand accounts will always fall short against the collective common sense.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
Your first-hand accounts will always fall short against the collective common sense.
Did you just say "collective common sense" in regards to people who believe this no plane garbage? ROFL Talk about an oxymoron.
Please read more here www.vialls.com...
This is a story about a little white lie that bred dozens of other little white lies, then hundreds of bigger white lies and so on, to the point where the first little white lie must be credited as the “Mother of All Lies” about events on 11 September 2001. For this was the little white lie that first activated the American psyche, generated mass loathing, and enabled media manipulation of the global population.
Without this little white lie there would have been no Arab Hijackers, no Osama Bin Laden directing operations from afar, and no “War on Terror” in Afghanistan and occupied Palestine. Clearly the lie was so clever and diabolical in nature, it must have been generated by the “Power Elite” in one of its more earthly manifestations. Perhaps it was the work of the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission?
At 8:38, Ong told Gonzalez that the plane was flying erratically again.
Around this time Sweeney toldWoodward that the hijackers were Middle Easterners,
naming three of their seat numbers. One spoke very little English and
one spoke excellent English.The hijackers had gained entry to the cockpit, and
she did not know how.The aircraft was in a rapid descent.35
The passengers continued their assault and at 10:02:23, a hijacker said,“Pull
it down! Pull it down!”The hijackers remained at the controls but must have
judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them.The airplane
headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right.The airplane
rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting “Allah is
the greatest. Allah is the greatest.”With the sounds of the passenger counterattack
continuing, the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville,Pennsylvania,
at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes’ flying time from
Originally posted by scientist
Originally posted by Griff
what would the FBI gain in lying about phone calls on Flight 11?
the entire FBI? probably more funding - but please point me to a single conspiracy theory that requires the entire FBI to be involved. It's never about large groups, but small factions. Come on, this is CT 101 - you should know this by now.
Originally posted by darkbluesky
Did Ted Olsen's "lie" about speaking to his wife help bomb the WTC in 1993?
 Allegations of FBI foreknowledge
In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad A. Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of the hundreds of possible suspects.
Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead.  He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers; reported by Ralph Blumenthal in the New York Times, Oct. 28, 1993, section A,Page 1.
In December 1993, James M. Fox, the head of the FBI's New York Office, denied that the FBI had any foreknowledge of the attacks. The 1993 WTC sting operation was depicted as a false flag operation and was a plot device for the 1996 movie The Long Kiss Goodnight with Geena Davis.
FYI...they did release that tape last year (Citgo gas station). Low-quality black and white garbage, along with notable alterations "to concel identities" (yeah, okay?), showed nothing of interest whatsoever.
“She [Barbara] had trouble getting through, because she wasn’t using her cell phone – she was using the phone in the passengers’ seats,” said Mr Olson. “I guess she didn’t have her purse, because she was calling collect, and she was trying to get through to the Department of Justice, which is never very easy.” … “She wanted to know ‘What can I tell the pilot? What can I do? How can I stop this?’ ”
"What Can I tell the pilot?" Yes indeed! The forged Barbara Olson telephone call claims that the flight deck crew were with her at the back of the aircraft, presumably politely ushered down there by the box cutter-wielding Muslim maniacs, who for some bizarre reason decided not to cut their throats on the flight deck. Have you ever heard anything quite so ridiculous?
But it is at this juncture that we finally have the terminal error. Though the American Airlines Boeing 757 is fitted with individual telephones at each seat position, they are not of the variety where you can simply pick up the handset and ask for an operator. On many aircraft you can talk from one seat to another in the aircraft free of charge, but if you wish to access the outside world you must first swipe your credit card through the telephone. By Ted Olson’s own admission, Barbara did not have a credit card with her.
It gets worse. On American Airlines there is a telephone "setup" charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network. Under these circumstances the passengers’ seat phone on a Boeing 757 is a much use as a plastic toy.
Perhaps Ted Olson made a mistake and Barbara managed to borrow a credit card from a fellow passenger? Not a chance. If Barbara had done so, once swiped through the phone, the credit card would have enabled her to call whoever she wanted to for as long as she liked, negating any requirement to call collect.
Sadly perhaps, the Olson telephone call claim is proved untrue. Any American official wishing to challenge this has only to subpoena the telephone company and Justice Department records. There will be no charge originating from American Airlines 77 to the US Solicitor General.
Even without this hard proof, the chances of meaningfully using a seat-telephone on Flight 77 were nil. We know from the intermittent glimpses of the aircraft the air traffic controllers had on the radar scopes, that Flight 77 was travelling at extreme speed at very low level, pulling high “G’ turns in the process.
Under these circumstances it would be difficult even reaching a phone, much less using it. Finally, the phones on the Boeing 757 rely on either ground cell phone towers or satellite bounce in order to maintain a stable connection. At very low altitude and extreme speed, the violent changes in aircraft attitude would render the normal telephone links completely unusable.
Originally posted by eyewitness86
reply to post by darkbluesky
Betty Ong's words are a texbook case of a set up. if you read them al and compare Betty to Amy> just ONE factoid: AMY says that Danlel Lewin was stabbed...the FBI says he was shot in the head. Who is right? Neither? Both?
And NO ONE is cherry picking the FBI testimony, either they DID have recods of the calls that Ted claims happened , or they do not. They do not.
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