Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'

a reply to: Grenade

Well, 11 years later and there is still no Sharia law in UK.

Just the laws of the land.

What does that spell aside from "Computer says No"?

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: Grenade

I just wanted to see if the fear mongering was true. And still no examples just stories. Hey man thanks for the socialist comment. I dig it. Im gonna get a Stalin shirt and wear it everyday!

I've now posted several examples,references and news stories.

What more do you want?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grenade

Well, 11 years later and there is still no Sharia law in UK.

Just the laws of the land.

What does that spell aside from "Computer says No"?

It means the Archbishop of Canterbury was wrong 11 years ago?

Although clearly there are Sharia Courts in the UK.

a reply to: Grenade

There are clearly other so-called religious courts also.

The people who ""choose"" to follow their decrees do so of there own volition and down to religious belief.

The paper the decrees are printed on, however, is in no way lawful in any British court of law.

Quite simple really.

Everyone is free to do as they wish as long as they follow the ""law of the land"".

And that about it.

a reply to: Grenade

I started this thread 11 years ago.

I know.

Again, this was sharing a news story not my own thoughts,....

Then why not start a new thread on that news story rather than posting it in a somewhat redundant thread that you started 11years ago?

.....also people tend to grow and change, re-assess over the course of a decade......

Indeed we do, and that's as it should be....we all need to continually grow and evolve.

Well except lefties, their head stuck so far up their ass they can smell the kale.

That's undeniably true about some 'lefties'.
I also know many arrogant and pompous right wingers and Conservatives.

Being a knobhead is not unique to any individual political viewpoint.

Now if you are equating these Sharia Councils etc to the imposition of Sharia Law you are being quite inaccurate.
They are unable to enforce rulings against defendants wishes and judgements and all rulings MUST be in accordance with UK Law.

In fact Jewish Beth Din courts which are long established in the UK, USA, Canada etc have at least as much legal standing and are at least just as much used by the Jewish community as Sharia Councils are by Muslim communities here in the UK.

But I re-iterate; neither can forcibly impose their rulings against defendants wishes or outside of UK Law.

So what is it exactly you oppose and why bump an old thread?

a reply to: Freeborn

I didn't bump an old thread. JoeCanada didn't like something i said in another thread and followed me here to pick through my opinions about a news story from 10 years ago. In fact i clearly stated they weren't my opinions.

originally posted by: Freeborn

I also know many arrogant and pompous right wingers and Conservatives.

This is one of the things that attracted me to the Tories in the first place. I wanted to be in a club where i fitted in......

a reply to: Freeborn

Not that it's any of your business but my friend died in Afghanistan so back then i probably had the blinkers on with regard Islam.

originally posted by: Freeborn
So what is it exactly you oppose and why bump an old thread?

Nothing and i didn't?

a reply to: Grenade

Yet still you went on to say that Sharia courts have increased 'power' here in the UK where the truth is something quite different.

Islamic Sharia Law is no sooner going to usurp UK Law than Jewish Beth Din is, neither have any actual legal standing.

a reply to: Grenade

It's not any of my business and I wouldn't dream of intruding in anyone's personal situation.
But then again this is a public forum and you chose to post on the Forum's.

I assure you, I am no Islamic apologist....but I do believe in accuracy!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Grenade

Well, 11 years later and there is still no Sharia law in UK.

Just the laws of the land.

What does that spell aside from "Computer says No"?

Please quote me directly. Where did i say i expected or thought Sharia Law would be implemented?

I simply shared a news story and left it open for discussion.

I was done with this thread 10 years ago and i'm done now.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Grenade

Yet still you went on to say that Sharia courts have increased 'power' here in the UK where the truth is something quite different.

Islamic Sharia Law is no sooner going to usurp UK Law than Jewish Beth Din is, neither have any actual legal standing.

They don't have legal standing, except the case i highlighted earlier from the telegraph article however i can assure you they hold plenty of power over those Muslims who use them and the women effected by their rulings.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Grenade

Islamic Sharia Law is no sooner going to usurp UK Law than Jewish Beth Din is, neither have any actual legal standing.

I agree and never stated otherwise.

Again these are the opinions of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

I do think radical Islam is a danger within British society, that you can call me out on.

The biggest problem is the stupid tolerance of religious practices that have no part in our society.
www.independent.co.uk...

The above is a link to a recent story about how (usually muslim) women are conned into marriages that are not recognised by the state.
When the marriage breaks down they lack the legal protections that apply to traditional and civil partnerships.

So Sharia law will not be in the statute books any time soon, elements of it are present in some cities due to inaction by the authorities, which is probably where a lot of the scare stories come from, in my opinion.

Oh great I'm so looking forward to it, since I'm oppressed white male an insolent incel, looking for multiple woman to impregnate, and just simply divorce by text or via a legal slap to the face after they dont heed my orders and use that stupid one hand gesture in the name of peace an love.

Yea to foriegn traditional values.


Get my whip, cause we ain't having none of that science or logic mumbo jumbo.

a reply to: Grenade

I do think radical Islam is a danger within British society, that you can call me out on.

Why would I? I tend to agree with you.

Personally I think we shouldn't allow the Sharia Council's or Beth Din Courts any authority whatsoever - religious beliefs have no place in law in my opinion - but, and its a massive but, many people of both of those religions seem content to go along with their rulings so as long as it doesn't contravene UK Law who am I to impose my thoughts on anyone?

I wonder how long it'll be before we see fundamental Christian equivalents?

a reply to: Freeborn

Maybe that's why the Archbishop highlighted the issue, he want's a piece of any future action.

I wonder how long it'll be before we see fundamental Christian equivalents?

Ages. The sort that may want to found one were put on the Mayflower and sent on a cruise.

Perhaps what the Archbishop is maybe getting at is that he would like more religious authority, or else, the secular society will be over run by, another religious authority. Fundamentally laws come from the moral framework of the culture, so perhaps figuring out what that is, is important.